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Topic: What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift
Posted by: Colin Izzard
Date/Time: 12/08/10 23:43:00

What a wealth of information and opinions already shared in this thread and some good external references - but many readers may have outdated conceptions of what a modern trolleybus is and so not see it as a vital component in making a modal shift for Uxbridge Road

As I see the issue, the need is to make travel along Uxbridge Road more efficient and presumably a good public transport system will make this possible.

A tramway has massive detraction as it is generally exclusive to other road users. 

There is already too much dangerous pollution along our main highways so low emission traction is desirable.

We do already have the A40 as the mostly efficient means of bypassing the borough by vehicle and coping for those on longer journeys. The Uxbridge Road is our living and trading area and needs to remain people accessible but without forcing all local journeys into the side roads and so ruining the amenity of residents.

Ideally we could find a business sponsor to promote a design competition for the people of Ealing and the other boroughs to offer constructive ideas for a longer term solution. This would be preferable to recent past experience of consultation which feels unsupported and not ultimately valid

A modern trolleybus can be viewed in many cities, quite surprisingly many American cities have good examples and integrated public transport systems, and Europe too can inspire.

These modern trolleybuses are often dual powered with a diesel engine to cope with the stretches where overhead wires are not practical and to get around brief obstructions when wires are in use.  As stated elsewhere, the power is drawn from a pantograph rather like many trains and is stable compared with the single pole of years gone by. It is also simple to raise and lower as required similar but faster than happens on parts of the North London Line.  When the wires are in use we have transit with less emission and much quieter.

With the trend for all large buildings already and in future plans, the overhead wire network could soon be fixed without thousands of free standing poles.  Where there is enough road space, these buses could make swift progress and perhaps be limited in stops like the 607 Express

A great example of buses in use is the centre of Seattle where buses from the outer areas use diesel and the high occupancy lanes of the freeways to an edge of centre point then raise the wires and glide cleanly through the town, even making use of a special bus tunnel under the main Broadway shopping area with metro like access to street level.

Attractive, practical, designed to encourage people to be less dependent on the car at times. Getting people to use Park and Ride to encourage the modal shift.  Some of these vehicles are articulated like the Bendybuses but I suppose that would not get support.

I would say send the decision makers to see Seattle and other systems but we need to rein in spending in the new age of austerity.

If spending were not such an object we could make more use of the Uxbridge Roadway by creating an elevated section perhaps to run metrotype vehicles rather like they do in Bangkok  and what a bonus it would be for all the high rise dwellers not to have to descend to the lowest street level.

We need solutions that will work for us locally.  Cannot see my ideas really coming to fruition so will be happy to accept a consolation of a redesigned public transport interchange over the station area with pleasant views of the Village Green (Haven Green)


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Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 15:05:00 keith mason
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 15:30:00 George Knox
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 16:54:00 Alan Brainsby
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 16:48:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 18:37:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 17:04:00 Andy Jones
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 18:06:00 Peter Chadburn
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 18:49:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 19:07:00 Chris Veasey
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 21:25:00 Alan Brainsby
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 21:55:00 Chris Veasey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 00:04:00 Alan Brainsby
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 06:14:00 Graham Weeks
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 06:53:00 Chris Veasey
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 09:34:00 Robin Taylor
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 09:53:00 Andy Jones
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 11:01:00 Chris Veasey
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 12:02:00 Robin Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 12:19:00 Chris Veasey
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 16:21:00 Jim Lawes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 12:42:00 Parvez Haling
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 12:54:00 David Bradley
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 12:54:00 Chris Veasey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 12:56:00 Jim Lawes
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 13:03:00 Chris Veasey
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 13:51:00 Andy Jones
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 14:50:00 Robin Taylor
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 15:04:00 Chris Veasey
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 15:14:00 J Smith
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 15:47:00 Chris Veasey
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 20:15:00 Parvez Haling
                                          re: 'you silly little person'08/08/10 20:22:00 G Lord
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:01:00 Andy Jones
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:25:00 Robin Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:05:00 David Bradley
                                                   The telephone poll09/08/10 15:29:00 Andy Jones
                                                      Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 09:13:00 Robin Taylor
                                                         Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 09:39:00 Chris Veasey
                                                            Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 11:18:00 Parvez Haling
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 12:03:00 Robin Taylor
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 12:32:00 Andy Jones
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 13:10:00 Chris Veasey
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 14:18:00 Parvez Haling
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 14:30:00 Andy Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 14:34:00 David Bradley
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 16:22:00 Robin Taylor
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 12:37:00 David Bradley
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 12:20:00 David Bradley
                                                         Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 09:54:00 Andy Jones
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:08:00 Chris Veasey
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:28:00 Robin Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:55:00 Chris Veasey
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:59:00 G Lord
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 15:24:00 David Bradley
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 15:41:00 Robin Taylor
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 18:12:00 David Bradley
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 19:03:00 Jim Lawes
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 19:55:00 J Smith
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 21:03:00 Alan Brainsby
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 21:37:00 Chris Veasey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 14:31:00 G Lord
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 14:52:00 Chris Veasey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:35:00 G Lord
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:40:00 J Smith
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:55:00 G Lord
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 17:05:00 Chris Veasey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 17:26:00 J Smith
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 18:10:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:57:00 Chris Veasey
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:53:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 17:25:00 G Lord
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 17:45:00 Chris Veasey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 18:20:00 G Lord
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 18:32:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:17:00 Marie Shelly
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:58:00 G Lord
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:17:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:19:00 David Bradley
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:29:00 G Lord
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:38:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:34:00 Chris Veasey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:45:00 G Lord
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 06:50:00 Chris Veasey
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:10:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 23:21:00 Marie Shelly
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 06:49:00 Chris Veasey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 11:47:00 George Knox
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 13:46:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 11:46:00 keith mason
      What about the Super Bus09/08/10 12:53:00 D Fox
         Re:What about the Super Bus09/08/10 14:40:00 Tom Brook
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 12:57:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 14:02:00 Parvez Haling
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 15:01:00 George Knox
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 15:05:00 Chris Veasey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 16:11:00 keith mason
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 16:31:00 Chris Veasey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 17:11:00 Parvez Haling
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 17:34:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 19:42:00 Alan Brainsby
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 23:03:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 20:39:00 Parvez Haling
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 19:28:00 George Knox
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 22:06:00 Chris Veasey
                     Re:Past their use-by date'09/08/10 23:47:00 Alan Brainsby
                        Re:Re:Past their use-by date'10/08/10 07:36:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Past their use-by date'10/08/10 14:03:00 Alan Brainsby
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:03:00 keith mason
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:18:00 David Bradley
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:23:00 Chris Veasey
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:19:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:36:00 Robin Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 17:46:00 David Bradley
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 18:11:00 Robin Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 19:22:00 David Bradley
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 20:04:00 George Knox
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme11/08/10 08:27:00 Chris Veasey
                           Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme11/08/10 12:08:00 George Knox
                              Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme11/08/10 22:53:00 Marie Shelly
                                 What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift12/08/10 23:43:00 Colin Izzard
                                    Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 13:21:00 J Smith
                                    Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 13:43:00 Thomas Barry
                                       Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 14:06:00 Parvez Haling
                                          Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 14:11:00 G Lord
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 14:16:00 J Smith
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 22:17:00 Chris Veasey
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 23:05:00 David Bradley
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 00:11:00 Alan Brainsby
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 08:43:00 Chris Veasey
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 11:12:00 Alan Brainsby
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 11:38:00 Chris Veasey
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 11:41:00 David Bradley
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 15:41:00 Alan Brainsby
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift31/08/10 01:53:00 John Chant
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift31/08/10 13:04:00 Michael Brandt
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift31/08/10 20:23:00 Oliver Gregan
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift31/08/10 20:58:00 Alan Brainsby
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 00:01:00 Peter Chadburn
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 08:38:00 Oliver Gregan
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 11:23:00 Chris Veasey
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 11:59:00 Peter Chadburn
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 12:35:00 Michael Brandt
                                                                                       Trams / Trolleybuses - a potential danger to the public?12/12/10 19:21:00 J Smith
                                                                                          Re:Trams / Trolleybuses - a potential danger to the public?12/12/10 20:29:00 Parvez Haling
                                                                                          Re:Trams / Trolleybuses - a potential danger to the public?12/12/10 21:31:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme04/09/10 12:04:00 Mark Maytree
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme12/12/10 22:00:00 J Smith

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