Forum Message

Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme
Posted by: Chris Veasey
Date/Time: 09/08/10 13:46:00

The bus service in South Ealing - consisting of the 65 passing close to home and the E3 rather further away  -  is indeed not very generous, and for most journey purposes just doean't take me where I need to go without inconvenient and time-consuming interchange.

Remedying that with a more comprehensive network with more routes in more directions would certainly be an encouragement to leave the car at home more and use public transport (though that wouldn't help those I have to give lifts to, some of who have seriously mobility impairing, tiring and painful infirmities)  -  but certainly not if I have to stand in the rain for an unknown and unpredictable length of time with no idea when (or if) the bus is coming. But even with all that sorted out, electrifying the bus route network by converting to a clean, quiet and comfortable trolleybus network would be a much greater incentive.

How you can say that the much overhyped Routemaster buses were 'comfortable' is beyond me  -  I remember them as a frequent user only too well - eg I endured many unhappy hours commuting on them between Willesden and Hammersmith in the late 1970s, and they were no better than any other motorbus, particularly in winter when with defective or non-existent heating they were freezing cold on the long slow journey.

Sorry but (many of) the rest of us are no longer in the dark ages and expect civilised conditions and information at bus stops. Shelters and other facilities have indeed been introduced 'gradually' -  all too painfuly gradually over many years now running into decaades. It's not good enough and there's no reasonable excuse for it.

Even worse, in some places in recent years, notably South Ealing, existing shelters and seating have been actually REMOVED from stops (or the stops moved away from the shelters, which subsequently disappeared).

To those that expect me to use public transport in view of that attitude, when I have something buch better and more civilised available, I say (as shouild anybody with any self-respect) "Don't call us, we'll call you".

BTW the old trolleybus systems (certainly the ones I knew and used, which did not include London) were no more segregated from traffic than motorbus services. There were of course no such thing as bus lanes or any other bus priority measures in thosm days. And there's still no reason in the modern age why trolleybuses HAVE to treated differently in that regard from motorbuses -  they can benefiit from the same bus lanes and other priority measures, and do not need hugely expensive and disruptive segregated transitways, though those are nice to have (for trolleybus or motorbus services) where there's the opportunity and they can be afforded, AND where they won't cause unacceptable problems for other road users and/or requirem property demolition or otherwise wreck the townscape.


Entire Thread
TopicDate PostedPosted By
Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 15:05:00 keith mason
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 15:30:00 George Knox
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 16:54:00 Alan Brainsby
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 16:48:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 18:37:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 17:04:00 Andy Jones
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 18:06:00 Peter Chadburn
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 18:49:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 19:07:00 Chris Veasey
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 21:25:00 Alan Brainsby
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 21:55:00 Chris Veasey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 00:04:00 Alan Brainsby
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 06:14:00 Graham Weeks
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 06:53:00 Chris Veasey
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 09:34:00 Robin Taylor
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 09:53:00 Andy Jones
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 11:01:00 Chris Veasey
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 12:02:00 Robin Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 12:19:00 Chris Veasey
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 16:21:00 Jim Lawes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 12:42:00 Parvez Haling
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 12:54:00 David Bradley
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 12:54:00 Chris Veasey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 12:56:00 Jim Lawes
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 13:03:00 Chris Veasey
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 13:51:00 Andy Jones
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 14:50:00 Robin Taylor
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 15:04:00 Chris Veasey
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 15:14:00 J Smith
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 15:47:00 Chris Veasey
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 20:15:00 Parvez Haling
                                          re: 'you silly little person'08/08/10 20:22:00 G Lord
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:01:00 Andy Jones
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:25:00 Robin Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:05:00 David Bradley
                                                   The telephone poll09/08/10 15:29:00 Andy Jones
                                                      Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 09:13:00 Robin Taylor
                                                         Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 09:39:00 Chris Veasey
                                                            Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 11:18:00 Parvez Haling
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 12:03:00 Robin Taylor
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 12:32:00 Andy Jones
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 13:10:00 Chris Veasey
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 14:18:00 Parvez Haling
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 14:30:00 Andy Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 14:34:00 David Bradley
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 16:22:00 Robin Taylor
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 12:37:00 David Bradley
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 12:20:00 David Bradley
                                                         Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 09:54:00 Andy Jones
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:08:00 Chris Veasey
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:28:00 Robin Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:55:00 Chris Veasey
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:59:00 G Lord
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 15:24:00 David Bradley
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 15:41:00 Robin Taylor
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 18:12:00 David Bradley
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 19:03:00 Jim Lawes
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 19:55:00 J Smith
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 21:03:00 Alan Brainsby
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 21:37:00 Chris Veasey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 14:31:00 G Lord
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 14:52:00 Chris Veasey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:35:00 G Lord
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:40:00 J Smith
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:55:00 G Lord
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 17:05:00 Chris Veasey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 17:26:00 J Smith
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 18:10:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:57:00 Chris Veasey
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:53:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 17:25:00 G Lord
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 17:45:00 Chris Veasey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 18:20:00 G Lord
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 18:32:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:17:00 Marie Shelly
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:58:00 G Lord
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:17:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:19:00 David Bradley
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:29:00 G Lord
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:38:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:34:00 Chris Veasey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:45:00 G Lord
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 06:50:00 Chris Veasey
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:10:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 23:21:00 Marie Shelly
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 06:49:00 Chris Veasey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 11:47:00 George Knox
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 13:46:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 11:46:00 keith mason
      What about the Super Bus09/08/10 12:53:00 D Fox
         Re:What about the Super Bus09/08/10 14:40:00 Tom Brook
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 12:57:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 14:02:00 Parvez Haling
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 15:01:00 George Knox
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 15:05:00 Chris Veasey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 16:11:00 keith mason
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 16:31:00 Chris Veasey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 17:11:00 Parvez Haling
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 17:34:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 19:42:00 Alan Brainsby
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 23:03:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 20:39:00 Parvez Haling
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 19:28:00 George Knox
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 22:06:00 Chris Veasey
                     Re:Past their use-by date'09/08/10 23:47:00 Alan Brainsby
                        Re:Re:Past their use-by date'10/08/10 07:36:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Past their use-by date'10/08/10 14:03:00 Alan Brainsby
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:03:00 keith mason
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:18:00 David Bradley
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:23:00 Chris Veasey
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:19:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:36:00 Robin Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 17:46:00 David Bradley
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 18:11:00 Robin Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 19:22:00 David Bradley
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 20:04:00 George Knox
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme11/08/10 08:27:00 Chris Veasey
                           Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme11/08/10 12:08:00 George Knox
                              Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme11/08/10 22:53:00 Marie Shelly
                                 What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift12/08/10 23:43:00 Colin Izzard
                                    Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 13:21:00 J Smith
                                    Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 13:43:00 Thomas Barry
                                       Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 14:06:00 Parvez Haling
                                          Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 14:11:00 G Lord
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 14:16:00 J Smith
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 22:17:00 Chris Veasey
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 23:05:00 David Bradley
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 00:11:00 Alan Brainsby
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 08:43:00 Chris Veasey
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 11:12:00 Alan Brainsby
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 11:38:00 Chris Veasey
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 11:41:00 David Bradley
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 15:41:00 Alan Brainsby
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift31/08/10 01:53:00 John Chant
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift31/08/10 13:04:00 Michael Brandt
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift31/08/10 20:23:00 Oliver Gregan
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift31/08/10 20:58:00 Alan Brainsby
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 00:01:00 Peter Chadburn
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 08:38:00 Oliver Gregan
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 11:23:00 Chris Veasey
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 11:59:00 Peter Chadburn
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 12:35:00 Michael Brandt
                                                                                       Trams / Trolleybuses - a potential danger to the public?12/12/10 19:21:00 J Smith
                                                                                          Re:Trams / Trolleybuses - a potential danger to the public?12/12/10 20:29:00 Parvez Haling
                                                                                          Re:Trams / Trolleybuses - a potential danger to the public?12/12/10 21:31:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme04/09/10 12:04:00 Mark Maytree
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme12/12/10 22:00:00 J Smith

Forum Home