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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme
Posted by: Chris Veasey
Date/Time: 09/08/10 22:06:00

In a nutshell, to name but a few:-

Xrail will have very few interchanges with other rail routes in the sluburbs, so for most punters Xrail will be difficult to access or not worth accessing, even if their journeys have the slightest potential relevance to the Xrail route.

This will be particularly so for the many who are conveniently served by the several existing Xrails - known as the Underground and North London Line. The Underground Xrails in particular have far higher service frequency than Xrail will, which together with their greater accessibility through closer station spacing will more than compensate for their comparative slowness. To take just one of many examples: in the unlikely event of another (large) consultancy firm prevailing on me to help out by filling in for a few weeks at Redbridge Council offices at Ilford (as I did for a short while some years back) do I do what I did then, and commute via the Piccadilly Line station that's close enough to see from my house and just a short walk away, or do I traipse up to Ealing Broadway to get Xrail (involving a total average expected access time - walking and waiting  -  of about half an hour, even if the Xrail trains run to time without cancellations?)

Xrail will in any case not be as fast as is claimed, as it will have to interwork with other services using the same routes in the outer areas, and the unimpressive service frequency will be further impaired by unplanned and unpredictable (and probably unannounced in accordance with traditional railway malpractice) train cancellations.

It is only a matter of time before pressure to speed up Xrail services linking Heathrow and the commuter towns beyond London (such as they are) will result in substantial reduction in the already unimpressive frequency of Xrail trains serving many of the local stations such as Hanwell and Acton (if Acton gets an Xrail station at all).

Already the planned Xrail scheme will seriously DISbenefit punters on the Greenford branch who will lose their through service to Paddington.

Xrail will have poor or non-existent interchanges with many existing rail routes in central London, particularly now the pressure is on to cut costs. Just as (for example)Thameslink has no interchange whatever with the Central Line which it crosses over in Central London.

The only real motivation for squandering all those squilions on Xrail is to give bankers an easier ride to/from Heathrow. Surely we could save all that money and a lot more besides by tying all those bar-stewards to the exising rail tracks during service hours and letting nature and engineering take their course.


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Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 15:05:00 keith mason
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 15:30:00 George Knox
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 16:54:00 Alan Brainsby
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 16:48:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 18:37:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 17:04:00 Andy Jones
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 18:06:00 Peter Chadburn
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 18:49:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 19:07:00 Chris Veasey
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 21:25:00 Alan Brainsby
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 21:55:00 Chris Veasey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 00:04:00 Alan Brainsby
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 06:14:00 Graham Weeks
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 06:53:00 Chris Veasey
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 09:34:00 Robin Taylor
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 09:53:00 Andy Jones
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 11:01:00 Chris Veasey
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 12:02:00 Robin Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 12:19:00 Chris Veasey
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 16:21:00 Jim Lawes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 12:42:00 Parvez Haling
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 12:54:00 David Bradley
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 12:54:00 Chris Veasey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 12:56:00 Jim Lawes
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 13:03:00 Chris Veasey
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 13:51:00 Andy Jones
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 14:50:00 Robin Taylor
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 15:04:00 Chris Veasey
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 15:14:00 J Smith
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 15:47:00 Chris Veasey
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 20:15:00 Parvez Haling
                                          re: 'you silly little person'08/08/10 20:22:00 G Lord
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:01:00 Andy Jones
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:25:00 Robin Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:05:00 David Bradley
                                                   The telephone poll09/08/10 15:29:00 Andy Jones
                                                      Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 09:13:00 Robin Taylor
                                                         Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 09:39:00 Chris Veasey
                                                            Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 11:18:00 Parvez Haling
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 12:03:00 Robin Taylor
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 12:32:00 Andy Jones
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 13:10:00 Chris Veasey
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 14:18:00 Parvez Haling
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 14:30:00 Andy Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 14:34:00 David Bradley
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 16:22:00 Robin Taylor
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 12:37:00 David Bradley
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 12:20:00 David Bradley
                                                         Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 09:54:00 Andy Jones
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:08:00 Chris Veasey
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:28:00 Robin Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:55:00 Chris Veasey
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:59:00 G Lord
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 15:24:00 David Bradley
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 15:41:00 Robin Taylor
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 18:12:00 David Bradley
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 19:03:00 Jim Lawes
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 19:55:00 J Smith
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 21:03:00 Alan Brainsby
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 21:37:00 Chris Veasey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 14:31:00 G Lord
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 14:52:00 Chris Veasey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:35:00 G Lord
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:40:00 J Smith
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:55:00 G Lord
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 17:05:00 Chris Veasey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 17:26:00 J Smith
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 18:10:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:57:00 Chris Veasey
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:53:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 17:25:00 G Lord
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 17:45:00 Chris Veasey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 18:20:00 G Lord
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 18:32:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:17:00 Marie Shelly
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:58:00 G Lord
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:17:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:19:00 David Bradley
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:29:00 G Lord
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:38:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:34:00 Chris Veasey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:45:00 G Lord
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 06:50:00 Chris Veasey
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:10:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 23:21:00 Marie Shelly
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 06:49:00 Chris Veasey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 11:47:00 George Knox
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 13:46:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 11:46:00 keith mason
      What about the Super Bus09/08/10 12:53:00 D Fox
         Re:What about the Super Bus09/08/10 14:40:00 Tom Brook
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 12:57:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 14:02:00 Parvez Haling
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 15:01:00 George Knox
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 15:05:00 Chris Veasey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 16:11:00 keith mason
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 16:31:00 Chris Veasey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 17:11:00 Parvez Haling
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 17:34:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 19:42:00 Alan Brainsby
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 23:03:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 20:39:00 Parvez Haling
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 19:28:00 George Knox
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 22:06:00 Chris Veasey
                     Re:Past their use-by date'09/08/10 23:47:00 Alan Brainsby
                        Re:Re:Past their use-by date'10/08/10 07:36:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Past their use-by date'10/08/10 14:03:00 Alan Brainsby
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:03:00 keith mason
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:18:00 David Bradley
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:23:00 Chris Veasey
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:19:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:36:00 Robin Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 17:46:00 David Bradley
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 18:11:00 Robin Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 19:22:00 David Bradley
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 20:04:00 George Knox
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme11/08/10 08:27:00 Chris Veasey
                           Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme11/08/10 12:08:00 George Knox
                              Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme11/08/10 22:53:00 Marie Shelly
                                 What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift12/08/10 23:43:00 Colin Izzard
                                    Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 13:21:00 J Smith
                                    Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 13:43:00 Thomas Barry
                                       Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 14:06:00 Parvez Haling
                                          Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 14:11:00 G Lord
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 14:16:00 J Smith
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 22:17:00 Chris Veasey
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 23:05:00 David Bradley
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 00:11:00 Alan Brainsby
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 08:43:00 Chris Veasey
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 11:12:00 Alan Brainsby
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 11:38:00 Chris Veasey
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 11:41:00 David Bradley
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 15:41:00 Alan Brainsby
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift31/08/10 01:53:00 John Chant
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift31/08/10 13:04:00 Michael Brandt
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift31/08/10 20:23:00 Oliver Gregan
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift31/08/10 20:58:00 Alan Brainsby
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 00:01:00 Peter Chadburn
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 08:38:00 Oliver Gregan
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 11:23:00 Chris Veasey
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 11:59:00 Peter Chadburn
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 12:35:00 Michael Brandt
                                                                                       Trams / Trolleybuses - a potential danger to the public?12/12/10 19:21:00 J Smith
                                                                                          Re:Trams / Trolleybuses - a potential danger to the public?12/12/10 20:29:00 Parvez Haling
                                                                                          Re:Trams / Trolleybuses - a potential danger to the public?12/12/10 21:31:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme04/09/10 12:04:00 Mark Maytree
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme12/12/10 22:00:00 J Smith

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