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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme
Posted by: Chris Veasey
Date/Time: 08/08/10 15:47:00

Quite a number of problems  -  just for example:-

Most of the bus stops in my locality (and many many elsewhere) are completely without shelter (of any kind, let alone adequate), seating and real-time bus arrival time info displays;

The vehicles themselves are noisy, unpleasantly vibrating, often overcrowded and unbearably hot, and with painfully cramped and inadequate seating, suspension shot to pieces, and are often driven in a way that throws standing passangers around;

The bus routes don't necesarily take us where we want to go (there's in fact only ONE route, the 65, here) without time-consuming and otherwise inconvenient interchange between services, often having to cross one or more busy main roads from one bus stop to another.

Similar well-founded criticism can and should be made against the rail network.

Most of the journeys I have to make (both for my own purposes and/or to take my wife or neighbours) can be made in a fraction of the time, and in much greater comfort, by car.

By contrast, all too often public transport travel is inconvenient, unpredictable, time-consuming, uncomfortable, even a painful and downright humiliating experience. IMHO those that don't agree are too easliy pleased and have too-low standards and expectations  -  to the detriment of the rest of us.

It needn't be so if the providers didn't have the wrong attitude. A few years ago I made a sustained and etermined 9but regrettebly ultimately abortive) attempt to become a public transport operator in the hope of puttting some of my beliefs about public transport quality into practice.

The fact (of which I'm only too well aware) that public transport is even worse in most of the rest of the country, which is being comprehensively screwed for the benefit of London and Londoners, is no comfort or compensation whatever  -  at least not enough to make me abandon the car when and where that is just the only sensible means of travel.


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Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 15:05:00 keith mason
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 15:30:00 George Knox
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 16:54:00 Alan Brainsby
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 16:48:00 Thomas Barry
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 18:37:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 17:04:00 Andy Jones
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 18:06:00 Peter Chadburn
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 18:49:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 19:07:00 Chris Veasey
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 21:25:00 Alan Brainsby
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme06/08/10 21:55:00 Chris Veasey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 00:04:00 Alan Brainsby
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 06:14:00 Graham Weeks
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 06:53:00 Chris Veasey
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 09:34:00 Robin Taylor
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 09:53:00 Andy Jones
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 11:01:00 Chris Veasey
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 12:02:00 Robin Taylor
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 12:19:00 Chris Veasey
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 16:21:00 Jim Lawes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 12:42:00 Parvez Haling
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 12:54:00 David Bradley
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 12:54:00 Chris Veasey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 12:56:00 Jim Lawes
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 13:03:00 Chris Veasey
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 13:51:00 Andy Jones
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 14:50:00 Robin Taylor
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 15:04:00 Chris Veasey
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 15:14:00 J Smith
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 15:47:00 Chris Veasey
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 20:15:00 Parvez Haling
                                          re: 'you silly little person'08/08/10 20:22:00 G Lord
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:01:00 Andy Jones
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:25:00 Robin Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:05:00 David Bradley
                                                   The telephone poll09/08/10 15:29:00 Andy Jones
                                                      Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 09:13:00 Robin Taylor
                                                         Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 09:39:00 Chris Veasey
                                                            Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 11:18:00 Parvez Haling
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 12:03:00 Robin Taylor
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 12:32:00 Andy Jones
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 13:10:00 Chris Veasey
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 14:18:00 Parvez Haling
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 14:30:00 Andy Jones
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 14:34:00 David Bradley
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 16:22:00 Robin Taylor
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 12:37:00 David Bradley
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 12:20:00 David Bradley
                                                         Re:Re:The telephone poll10/08/10 09:54:00 Andy Jones
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:08:00 Chris Veasey
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:28:00 Robin Taylor
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:55:00 Chris Veasey
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:59:00 G Lord
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 15:24:00 David Bradley
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 15:41:00 Robin Taylor
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 18:12:00 David Bradley
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 19:03:00 Jim Lawes
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 19:55:00 J Smith
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 21:03:00 Alan Brainsby
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme07/08/10 21:37:00 Chris Veasey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 14:31:00 G Lord
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 14:52:00 Chris Veasey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:35:00 G Lord
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:40:00 J Smith
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:55:00 G Lord
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 17:05:00 Chris Veasey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 17:26:00 J Smith
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 18:10:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:57:00 Chris Veasey
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 16:53:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 17:25:00 G Lord
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 17:45:00 Chris Veasey
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 18:20:00 G Lord
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 18:32:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:17:00 Marie Shelly
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 21:58:00 G Lord
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:17:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:19:00 David Bradley
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:29:00 G Lord
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:38:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:34:00 Chris Veasey
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:45:00 G Lord
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 06:50:00 Chris Veasey
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 22:10:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme08/08/10 23:21:00 Marie Shelly
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 06:49:00 Chris Veasey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 11:47:00 George Knox
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 13:46:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 11:46:00 keith mason
      What about the Super Bus09/08/10 12:53:00 D Fox
         Re:What about the Super Bus09/08/10 14:40:00 Tom Brook
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 12:57:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 14:02:00 Parvez Haling
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 15:01:00 George Knox
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 15:05:00 Chris Veasey
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 16:11:00 keith mason
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 16:31:00 Chris Veasey
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 17:11:00 Parvez Haling
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 17:34:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 19:42:00 Alan Brainsby
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 23:03:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 20:39:00 Parvez Haling
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 19:28:00 George Knox
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme09/08/10 22:06:00 Chris Veasey
                     Re:Past their use-by date'09/08/10 23:47:00 Alan Brainsby
                        Re:Re:Past their use-by date'10/08/10 07:36:00 Chris Veasey
                           Re:Re:Re:Past their use-by date'10/08/10 14:03:00 Alan Brainsby
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:03:00 keith mason
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:18:00 David Bradley
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:23:00 Chris Veasey
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:19:00 Chris Veasey
         Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 16:36:00 Robin Taylor
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 17:46:00 David Bradley
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 18:11:00 Robin Taylor
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 19:22:00 David Bradley
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme10/08/10 20:04:00 George Knox
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme11/08/10 08:27:00 Chris Veasey
                           Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme11/08/10 12:08:00 George Knox
                              Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme11/08/10 22:53:00 Marie Shelly
                                 What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift12/08/10 23:43:00 Colin Izzard
                                    Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 13:21:00 J Smith
                                    Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 13:43:00 Thomas Barry
                                       Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 14:06:00 Parvez Haling
                                          Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 14:11:00 G Lord
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 14:16:00 J Smith
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 22:17:00 Chris Veasey
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift13/08/10 23:05:00 David Bradley
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 00:11:00 Alan Brainsby
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 08:43:00 Chris Veasey
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 11:12:00 Alan Brainsby
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 11:38:00 Chris Veasey
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 11:41:00 David Bradley
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift14/08/10 15:41:00 Alan Brainsby
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift31/08/10 01:53:00 John Chant
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift31/08/10 13:04:00 Michael Brandt
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift31/08/10 20:23:00 Oliver Gregan
                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift31/08/10 20:58:00 Alan Brainsby
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 00:01:00 Peter Chadburn
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 08:38:00 Oliver Gregan
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 11:23:00 Chris Veasey
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 11:59:00 Peter Chadburn
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:What is a modern trolleybus and improving modal shift01/09/10 12:35:00 Michael Brandt
                                                                                       Trams / Trolleybuses - a potential danger to the public?12/12/10 19:21:00 J Smith
                                                                                          Re:Trams / Trolleybuses - a potential danger to the public?12/12/10 20:29:00 Parvez Haling
                                                                                          Re:Trams / Trolleybuses - a potential danger to the public?12/12/10 21:31:00 Chris Veasey
   Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme04/09/10 12:04:00 Mark Maytree
      Re:Re:Time to reconsider the west london tram scheme12/12/10 22:00:00 J Smith

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