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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput
Posted by: Niall Connolly
Date/Time: 10/06/09 14:50:00

Once again - missing the point of the issue.

Its not what you use, but how you use it and administer it. I fail to see why you keep banging on about Unix systems being better than Microsoft - this is not addressing the root cause of the issue - the management of the systems.

I don't disagree with your basic premise that Unix is more stable than Microsoft or that Microsoft is bloatware that needs a lot processor to perform the same tasks etc etc. For a lot of reasons Unix and derivatives are better - except for one - support and accountability - neither is guaranteed with Free Open Source software.

The key point is this - plenty of companies and organisations run these systems perfectly well without issues like the Ealing failure.

The most pertinent question is why they were paying probably a large amount of money for a "stable" and "well managed" environment which then failed due to someone apparently using an infected storage device which then spread through the systems unhindered by appropriate controls.

Microsoft is not bad software - It too is secure out of the box and if you configure it appropriately it is a stable system so please get off the Unix soapbox and understand that most problems with IT are caused by people not computers. All computers only do what you tell them to do if you give them the right instructions.

As a complete aside - I have inherited systems which were written by a "lad who was on work experience from school last week" and from bitter experience invariably find that whilst they might work well - they are usually not well documented/supported.

Would I trust my company database to this sort of systems development scheme - not bloody likely and neither would my company auditors / board etc....Bit difficult to explain how the key information of the company was left in the hands of a "work experience lad" now without a red face. 


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput18/05/09 08:24:00 Eric Alan Leach
   Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput18/05/09 15:44:00 Libby Kemp
      Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput19/05/09 08:29:00 Andy Jones
         Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput19/05/09 10:32:00 Libby Kemp
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput19/05/09 11:01:00 Diane Gill
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput19/05/09 11:14:00 Eric Alan Leach
                  Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput19/05/09 14:18:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput19/05/09 16:07:00 George Knox
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput19/05/09 16:14:00 Sara Nathan
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput19/05/09 17:27:00 George Knox
                           Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput19/05/09 19:17:00 Philippa Bond
                              Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput19/05/09 21:38:00 Richard Jennings
                                 Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput20/05/09 10:27:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput20/05/09 12:24:00 Arthur Breens
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput23/05/09 09:23:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput27/05/09 13:10:00 Chris Bell
   Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput27/05/09 12:06:00 Chris Bell
      Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput29/05/09 06:22:00 Eric Alan Leach
         Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput29/05/09 09:53:00 Chris Bell
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput30/05/09 13:11:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput30/05/09 13:15:00 Eric Alan Leach
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput30/05/09 19:07:00 Chris Bell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput01/06/09 18:33:00 Andy Jones
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput02/06/09 07:08:00 Eric Alan Leach
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput02/06/09 07:46:00 Chris Bell
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput03/06/09 17:39:00 Eric Alan Leach
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput07/06/09 08:40:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput07/06/09 08:57:00 Chris Bell
                                    Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput07/06/09 15:37:00 Philippa Bond
                                       Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput07/06/09 21:52:00 Chris Bell
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput09/06/09 16:58:00 Penny Crocker
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput09/06/09 17:41:00 Dawn Ryder
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput09/06/09 23:26:00 Chris Bell
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput10/06/09 09:53:00 Niall Connolly
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput10/06/09 10:51:00 Chris Bell
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput10/06/09 12:02:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput10/06/09 12:46:00 Niall Connolly
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput10/06/09 13:34:00 Chris Bell
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput10/06/09 14:27:00 Dawn Ryder
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput10/06/09 14:50:00 Niall Connolly
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput11/06/09 07:16:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput10/06/09 15:22:00 Chris Bell
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput10/06/09 16:18:00 Niall Connolly
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput10/06/09 21:52:00 Chris Bell
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput10/06/09 14:37:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput10/06/09 15:59:00 Niall Connolly
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput10/06/09 12:41:00 Chris Bell
   Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput19/06/09 14:02:00 Libby Kemp
      Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput19/06/09 14:15:00 Niall Connolly
         Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput19/06/09 16:48:00 Eric Alan Leach
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput28/06/09 11:27:00 Eric Alan Leach
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput28/06/09 17:14:00 Eric Alan Leach
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput29/06/09 00:42:00 Eric Alan Leach
   Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput04/09/09 13:58:00 Niall Connolly
      Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput04/09/09 16:05:00 Eric Alan Leach
         Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput04/09/09 16:24:00 Niall Connolly
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput04/09/09 17:01:00 Chris Bell
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput04/09/09 17:29:00 Peter Chadburn
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput04/09/09 17:35:00 Niall Connolly
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput04/09/09 22:44:00 Chris Bell
         Re:Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput04/09/09 16:33:00 Peter Chadburn
      Re:Re:Ealing Council Web Site Goes Kaput04/09/09 16:41:00 Chris Bell

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