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Posted by: Gordon Southwell
Date/Time: 02/09/21 17:00:00

Paul, it maybe that the report you are thinking of was from Ealing Council and that an officer sought to defuse the conflict between the two authorities over the issue by claiming LTN21 wasn't responsible for extra traffic in Hounslow. Hounslow would never have accepted this and their original suggestion was the incorporation of Swyncombe Avenue into LTN21 but this was apparently rejected by Ealing. They then came up the idea of closing access at Boston Manor Road which would have washed back vehicles into LTN21 and its distributor roads.

You might say that Paul Mason was 'spooked by One Ealing' but it is more likely he was influenced by the public pledges made by several ward councillors in areas where there were LTNs that they wouldn't support them if they were demonstrably unpopular. I don't think any of them having made these commitments would be prepared to adopt your argument about 'self-selecting polls' to dispute that the majority of their constituents are against LTNs.

I don't think it is correct to say that there was any clarity in government policy towards LTNs. Obviously the structure of the way they were implemented should mean that in most circumstances they should operate for six months, but force majeure was also allowed for and many councils have abandoned schemes without punishment. LTN21 had operated for some time and it was only due to a technicality  the reissue of the ETO that it could be deemed to be cancelled early.

There are clearly two factions at the Department for Transport, one led by Grant Shapps which has been giving reassuring messages about more consultation and no unpopular schemes being implemented and the other by Andrew Gilligan who has the upper hand due to the support of the Prime Minister. Peter Mason failed to recognise this and thought that a statement by the Minister. that unpopular schemes should be got rid of, was authoritative. What appears to have happened is that he has unwittingly made Ealing a target because the political closeness of Gilligan and Julian Bell has allow the latter to get some pay back.





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Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and16/08/21 21:14:00 Simon Hayes
   Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and16/08/21 21:29:00 N V Brooks
      Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and16/08/21 21:30:00 N V Brooks
         Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and16/08/21 22:14:00 Simon Hayes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and16/08/21 22:27:00 N V Brooks
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and17/08/21 07:37:00 Maggie Dodge
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and17/08/21 08:00:00 Simon Hayes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and17/08/21 08:23:00 Raymond Havelock
                        Reply17/08/21 10:37:00 Gordon Southwell
                           Re:Reply17/08/21 10:59:00 Maggie Dodge
                              Re:Re:Reply17/08/21 11:05:00 Tricia Arbuthnot
                                 Re:Re:Re:Reply17/08/21 11:13:00 Maggie Dodge
                              Re:Re:Reply17/08/21 13:10:00 David Burke
                                 Re:Re:Re:Reply17/08/21 13:50:00 Peter Yale
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply17/08/21 21:34:00 N V Brooks
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/08/21 01:02:00 Peter Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply18/08/21 07:08:00 Simon Hayes
                                             Reply18/08/21 08:37:00 Gordon Southwell
                                                Re:Reply18/08/21 09:28:00 Simon Hayes
      Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and22/08/21 11:06:00 alan raine
   Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and18/08/21 10:53:00 Andrew Farmer
      Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and18/08/21 11:21:00 Raymond Havelock
         Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and18/08/21 12:34:00 Rosco White
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and18/08/21 12:54:00 Tricia Arbuthnot
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and18/08/21 15:09:00 Andrew Farmer
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                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and20/08/21 08:34:00 Andrew Farmer
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                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and20/08/21 09:53:00 Tricia Arbuthnot
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and20/08/21 10:19:00 N V Brooks
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                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and20/08/21 17:15:00 Maggie Dodge
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                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and21/08/21 14:27:00 N V Brooks
                                                      Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and21/08/21 17:25:00 Philippa Bond
                                                         Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and21/08/21 19:45:00 N V Brooks
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and22/08/21 15:35:00 Rosco White
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and23/08/21 00:00:00 Leslie Bailey
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and reject LTN schemes and23/08/21 10:12:00 Peter Evans
                                                                  Reply23/08/21 19:27:00 Gordon Southwell
                                                                     Re:Reply26/08/21 19:35:00 Paul James
                                                                        Re:Re:Reply26/08/21 21:15:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                        Re:Re:Reply26/08/21 21:22:00 Peter Yale
                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Reply27/08/21 08:48:00 Paul James
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply27/08/21 08:50:00 Paul James
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply27/08/21 09:10:00 N V Brooks
                                                                                 Reply27/08/21 09:13:00 Gordon Southwell
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply27/08/21 10:20:00 Thelma Leach
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply27/08/21 12:08:00 N V Brooks
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply27/08/21 13:12:00 Thelma Leach
                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply27/08/21 13:37:00 N V Brooks
                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply27/08/21 13:50:00 David Burke
                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply29/08/21 09:01:00 Paul James
                                                                                       Reply29/08/21 09:36:00 Gordon Southwell
                                                                                          Re:Reply29/08/21 13:28:00 Paul James
                                                                                             Re:Re:Reply29/08/21 14:03:00 N V Brooks
                                                                                             Reply29/08/21 15:26:00 Gordon Southwell
                                                                                                Re:Reply31/08/21 11:51:00 Paul James
                                                                                                   Reply31/08/21 12:05:00 Gordon Southwell
                                                                                                      Re:Reply31/08/21 14:29:00 Paul James
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Reply31/08/21 15:26:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                                                         Reply31/08/21 16:12:00 Gordon Southwell
                                                                                                            Re:Reply01/09/21 10:19:00 Paul James
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Reply01/09/21 10:21:00 Paul James
                                                                                                                  Reply01/09/21 11:09:00 Gordon Southwell
                                                                                                                     Re:Reply01/09/21 11:16:00 Paul James
                                                                                                                        Reply01/09/21 11:29:00 Gordon Southwell
                                                                                                                     Re:Reply01/09/21 11:19:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Reply01/09/21 12:33:00 Rosco White
                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Reply01/09/21 12:37:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/09/21 14:51:00 Paul James
                                                                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/09/21 16:28:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply01/09/21 18:16:00 Rosco White
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 08:54:00 Paul James
                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 09:40:00 Peter Yale
                                                                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 09:47:00 Paul James
                                                                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 10:11:00 N V Brooks
                                                                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 10:21:00 Paul James
                                                                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 10:46:00 N V Brooks
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                                                                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 10:13:00 Peter Yale
                                                                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 10:19:00 Paul James
                                                                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 10:34:00 Peter Yale
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                                                                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 11:04:00 Peter Yale
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                                                                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 11:11:00 Simon Hayes
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                                                                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 11:17:00 Peter Yale
                                                                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 11:24:00 Paul James
                                                                                                                                                                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 11:33:00 Peter Yale
                                                                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 11:36:00 Peter Yale
                                                                                                                                                                        Reply02/09/21 11:42:00 Gordon Southwell
                                                                                                                                                                           Re:Reply02/09/21 12:18:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                                                                                                                           Re:Reply02/09/21 14:14:00 Paul James
                                                                                                                                                                              Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 14:47:00 Rosco White
                                                                                                                                                                              Reply02/09/21 17:00:00 Gordon Southwell
                                                                                                                                                                                 Re:Reply02/09/21 17:18:00 N V Brooks
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 19:04:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                                                                                                                                 Re:Reply03/09/21 11:05:00 Paul James
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 14:33:00 Paul James
                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply02/09/21 21:34:00 Rosco White
                                                                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply27/08/21 12:03:00 Peter Yale
                                                                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply27/08/21 14:05:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                                    Collision and dividing29/08/21 11:14:00 Raymond Havelock
                                                                                       Re:Collision and dividing29/08/21 12:06:00 N V Brooks
                                                                                          Re:Re:  The Climate Emergency has not gone away29/08/21 14:16:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:  The Climate Emergency has not gone away29/08/21 14:20:00 N V Brooks
                                                                                             Re:Re:Re:  The Climate Emergency has not gone away29/08/21 20:11:00 Peter Yale
                                                                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:  The Climate Emergency has not gone away29/08/21 21:22:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  The Climate Emergency has not gone away29/08/21 22:28:00 Raymond Havelock
                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  The Climate Emergency has not gone away29/08/21 23:04:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  The Climate Emergency has not gone away29/08/21 23:15:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  The Climate Emergency has not gone away29/08/21 23:22:00 N V Brooks
                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  The Climate Emergency has not gone away30/08/21 07:56:00 Terry Freestone
                                                                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  The Climate Emergency has not gone away30/08/21 09:17:00 N V Brooks
                                                                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  The Climate Emergency has not gone away30/08/21 09:44:00 Tricia Arbuthnot
                                                                                                                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:  The Climate Emergency has not gone away30/08/21 12:21:00 Raymond Havelock
                                                                                                                           Re: The Climate Emergency has not gone away30/08/21 17:28:00 Philippa Bond
                                                                                                                              Silent majority speak and do not care about the death of millions02/09/21 22:03:00 Gordon Lanvender
                                                                                                                                 Re:Silent majority speak and do not care about the death of millions02/09/21 22:15:00 N V Brooks
                                                                                                                                    Re:Re:Silent majority speak and do not care about the death of millions02/09/21 22:46:00 Gordon Lanvender
                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and do not care about the death of millions02/09/21 22:57:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                                                                                       Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and do not care about the death of millions02/09/21 22:59:00 N V Brooks
                                                                                                                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Silent majority speak and do not care about the death of millions02/09/21 23:09:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                                                                                             Natural Born Climate Killers lead Ealing02/09/21 23:19:00 Gordon Lanvender
                                                                                                                                                Re:Natural Born Climate Killers lead Ealing02/09/21 23:25:00 N V Brooks
                                                                                                                                                   Re:Re:Natural Born Climate Killers lead Ealing02/09/21 23:37:00 Gordon Lanvender
                                                                                                                                                      Re:Re:Re:Natural Born Climate Killers lead Ealing03/09/21 11:47:00 Peter Yale
                                                                                                                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Natural Born Climate Killers lead Ealing03/09/21 11:54:00 N V Brooks
                                                                                                                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Natural Born Climate Killers lead Ealing03/09/21 14:18:00 Simon Hayes
                                                                                                                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Natural Born Climate Killers lead Ealing04/09/21 13:09:00 Rosco White

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