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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax
Posted by: Jason Stacey
Date/Time: 12/09/11 12:57:00

I hope forum readers will not mind me posting on here but after reading Cllr Mahfouz's 'explanation' about the proposed changes to garden waste, it deserved a reply.

The key fact around recycling is that the easier you make it for residents to participate in and that it is free at the point of use, the more residents will use it. Cllr Mahfouz does not need to look to other London boroughs as the history of the garden waste recycling collection here in Ealing already highlights this fact .

Readers may recall that when garden waste recycling collection was first introduced it operated on a system of residents purchasing pink sacks at 50p a time. The abolition of this charge in 2006 had an immediate impact and usage by residents increased significantly (to the point where I recall we had to use issue white sacks for a few weeks because we could not replenish the stock of pink bags as quickly as they were going out the door).

The introduction of the three pink reusable sacks in November 2007 removed the second 'hassle' (the need to keep ordering sacks) and once again the council saw a significant increase in the amount of recycling being presented by residents and the corresponding increase in the borough's recycling rates. The policy of recycling as much as possible at the doorstep together with the principle of it being free of charge at the point of delivery meant that in four years the borough recycling effectively doubled from 19% to 38%.

The evidence of the past few years is therefore pretty clear and in my view any measures taken that puts barriers and/or charges in the way of residents will inevitably mean more residents disengaging from the process.

Cllr Mahfouz raised the issue of finance and the need for him to find savings. There are three issues I believe that need mentioning. Firstly, the estimated income to be generated from the new charges (around 1 million) are in my view optimistic. The previous charging scheme (50p per bag) raised around 350,000 for the council and whilst this was some five years ago, it is difficult to see how this 1 million is achievable unless large assumptions have been made in terms of the number of residents who will simply switch to paying the 40 charge.

Secondly, it is also not credible to argue that this will not have an affect upon the levels of flytipping around the borough. Some residents unfortunately will fly tip their garden waste to avoid charges and it will be the council who has to pick up the bill in terms of clearing this up.

Thirdly, Cllr Mahfouz makes no comment in his statement about the effect on LATS charges. The proposal for garden waste charges as I understand it actually encompasses an overall reduction in the borough's recycling rate as a result of these changes. What will be the impact of this upon our landfill charges? As a whole this proposal may end up having savings being delivered in one place, but with higher costs coming out in another.

Finally, for Cllr Mahfouz to suggest that it is either this option or a forced wheelie bin and fortnightly collection service is simply disingenous and I am afraid designed to detract attention away from an unpopular proposal by suggesting that instead we would have to have something else which he knows would be even more unpopular.

My apologies for the length of this post and thanks for reading.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
Labour's new 1 million garden tax08/09/11 06:46:00 Phil Taylor
   Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax08/09/11 11:16:00 Nigel Brooks
      Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax08/09/11 11:57:00 Michael Brandt
         Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax08/09/11 12:03:00 Una Dennedy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax08/09/11 12:23:00 Penny Crocker
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax08/09/11 12:54:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax08/09/11 13:36:00 Sue Rowe
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax08/09/11 15:10:00 Eric Alan Leach
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax08/09/11 15:32:00 Nigel Brooks
                           Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax08/09/11 16:39:00 Philippa Bond
                              Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax08/09/11 17:04:00 David Whitelam
                                 Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax08/09/11 17:30:00 Michael Brandt
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax08/09/11 21:41:00 Kathy Murch
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax09/09/11 00:35:00 Jean F Fernandez
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax09/09/11 09:16:00 Graham Weeks
         Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax09/09/11 15:48:00 MIchael Cass
   Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax09/09/11 11:10:00 Ben Owen
      Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax09/09/11 11:38:00 Nigel Brooks
      Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax09/09/11 13:30:00 Rosa Popham
         Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax09/09/11 13:53:00 Penny Crocker
         Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax09/09/11 15:46:00 Philippa Bond
   Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax09/09/11 11:52:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax09/09/11 16:46:00 Ian D. Richardson
         Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax09/09/11 18:48:00 Peter Chadburn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax09/09/11 19:59:00 Michael Brandt
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax09/09/11 21:21:00 Ben Owen
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax10/09/11 08:58:00 Michael Brandt
   Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax09/09/11 21:57:00 Jean F Fernandez
      Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax09/09/11 23:36:00 Keith Iddon
         Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax10/09/11 05:28:00 Graham Weeks
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax10/09/11 08:28:00 Ian D. Richardson
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax10/09/11 09:03:00 Graham Weeks
                  Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax10/09/11 10:19:00 Philippa Bond
                     Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax10/09/11 17:24:00 Michael Brandt
                        Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax10/09/11 18:40:00 Philippa Bond
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax11/09/11 21:37:00 Bassam Mahfouz
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax12/09/11 00:35:00 Nigel Brooks
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax12/09/11 18:34:00 Rosa Popham
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax12/09/11 12:57:00 Jason Stacey
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax14/09/11 07:26:00 Colm Costello
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax14/09/11 14:32:00 Nigel Brooks
   Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax12/09/11 12:16:00 Jools Lewis
      Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax12/09/11 13:27:00 Eric Alan Leach
         Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax12/09/11 14:38:00 Mark Kehoe
         Labour's new 1 million garden tax12/09/11 14:43:00 George Knox
            Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax12/09/11 18:35:00 Rosa Popham
   Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax12/09/11 20:51:00 Jim Louten
   Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax13/09/11 10:31:00 Jean F Fernandez
      Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax13/09/11 11:42:00 James de Vivenot
         Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax13/09/11 11:59:00 Nigel Brooks
   Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax13/09/11 22:52:00 Jean F Fernandez
   Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax14/09/11 10:38:00 Robert Darke
      Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax14/09/11 13:39:00 Michael Brandt
      Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax14/09/11 13:40:00 Michael Brandt
         Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax15/09/11 10:43:00 Una Dennedy
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax15/09/11 11:48:00 Jennifer Moyse
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax15/09/11 11:57:00 Ian D. Richardson
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax15/09/11 12:00:00 Charles Campbell
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax15/09/11 12:42:00 Faith Wardle
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax15/09/11 13:22:00 Graham Weeks
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax15/09/11 13:54:00 Nigel Brooks
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax15/09/11 15:08:00 Jean F Fernandez
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax15/09/11 15:27:00 Jean F Fernandez
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax15/09/11 15:52:00 Graham Weeks
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax15/09/11 16:17:00 Harold John Ward
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax15/09/11 17:26:00 Faith Wardle
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax15/09/11 18:27:00 Andy Horridge
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax15/09/11 18:37:00 Michael Brandt
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax15/09/11 22:31:00 Nigel Brooks
   Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax16/09/11 07:54:00 Ruth Goldsborough
      Re:Re:Labour's new 1 million garden tax16/09/11 11:06:00 Jean F Fernandez
   Conservatives call in Labour's garden tax20/09/11 12:54:00 Phil Taylor

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