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Topic: Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death
Posted by: Simon Hayes
Date/Time: 23/01/25 10:02:00

You always cite your personal experience as the only valid viewpoint, Dominik. It's not.

There are thousands of businesses in London that rely on the road network to operate efficiently. The road network has been so messed about with that it's becoming impossible to do that, with a consequent impact on profitablity. Delivery drivers, in particular, are finding the limits and restrictions very difficult, hence the dumping of parcels on doorsteps (or even the wrong address) and the subsequent increase in parcel thefts.

You probably haven't quite understood the argument here. 20mph is fine for residential side roads, but it's not appropriate for main and trunk roads, where pedestrian interaction is minimal. It's why they reversed the policy in Wales.

Talking about average speeds is a red herring. The speeds on many stretches of road is well below 20mph. That's why you get incidents of speeding on emptier parts of the network, or indeed on side roads (And I don't condone that). It's often business vehicles that are doing this, rather than private cars.

It's obvious that reducing speeds to a crawl will reduce the consequences of any accident, so that's not really an argument. Improving driving skills would be more beneficial to everyone. I've long said that there should be compulsory retesting of drivers after a certain period of time, and those who fail would be taken off the roads.

As always, I'd ask you, or Paul or Ben, to provide detailed statistics of accidents and casualties on the roads, such as the part of the Uxbridge Road outside the hospital.

I suspect that you won't because rather like hhe deadly Dr Aldred, there's virtually nothing to support your case.


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20mph speed limits in Ealing...18/01/25 11:06:00 Paul James
   Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...18/01/25 11:28:00 N V Brooks
      Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...18/01/25 12:56:00 Paul James
         Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...18/01/25 14:13:00 Simon Hayes
         Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...18/01/25 14:15:00 Peter Yale
   Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...18/01/25 17:39:00 Vlod Barchuk
      Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...18/01/25 17:59:00 peter king
         Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...18/01/25 20:33:00 Paul James
         Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...18/01/25 20:44:00 Peter Yale
      Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...18/01/25 20:35:00 Paul James
         Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...18/01/25 23:06:00 Simon Hayes
            Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...19/01/25 10:51:00 peter king
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...19/01/25 11:03:00 Peter Yale
            Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...20/01/25 14:12:00 Philippa Bond
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...20/01/25 14:35:00 Simon Hayes
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...20/01/25 20:22:00 Ben Owen
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...20/01/25 20:33:00 N V Brooks
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...20/01/25 20:59:00 Peter Yale
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...20/01/25 22:58:00 Ben Owen
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...21/01/25 08:53:00 Paul James
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...21/01/25 09:44:00 Peter Yale
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...21/01/25 11:37:00 Paul James
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...21/01/25 09:41:00 Vlod Barchuk
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...21/01/25 10:34:00 Ben Owen
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...21/01/25 10:41:00 Peter Yale
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...21/01/25 11:03:00 Ben Owen
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...21/01/25 11:57:00 Peter Yale
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...21/01/25 10:48:00 Simon Hayes
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...21/01/25 11:14:00 Ben Owen
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...21/01/25 11:50:00 Simon Hayes
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...21/01/25 18:09:00 Ben Owen
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...21/01/25 20:51:00 Simon Hayes
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...21/01/25 21:17:00 Peter Yale
                                          Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...22/01/25 06:15:00 Philippa Bond
                                             Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...22/01/25 09:32:00 Peter Evans
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...22/01/25 10:32:00 Paul James
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...22/01/25 12:13:00 N V Brooks
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...22/01/25 15:15:00 Peter Yale
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...22/01/25 16:42:00 Paul James
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...22/01/25 17:56:00 N V Brooks
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...23/01/25 13:55:00 Paul James
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...23/01/25 14:03:00 N V Brooks
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...23/01/25 14:53:00 Paul James
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...23/01/25 15:03:00 N V Brooks
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...23/01/25 15:09:00 Peter Yale
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...22/01/25 18:50:00 Peter Yale
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...23/01/25 13:28:00 Vlod Barchuk
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...23/01/25 16:57:00 Dominik Klimowski
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...24/01/25 10:11:00 Vlod Barchuk
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...24/01/25 12:36:00 Dominik Klimowski
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph speed limits in Ealing...27/01/25 09:22:00 Vlod Barchuk
   20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death23/01/25 09:11:00 Dominik Klimowski
      Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death23/01/25 10:01:00 Peter Yale
         Re:Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death23/01/25 11:22:00 Dominik Klimowski
            Re:Re:Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death23/01/25 12:34:00 N V Brooks
            Re:Re:Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death23/01/25 13:33:00 Peter Yale
               Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death23/01/25 16:55:00 Dominik Klimowski
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death23/01/25 17:58:00 N V Brooks
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death23/01/25 18:31:00 Peter Yale
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death23/01/25 22:40:00 Dominik Klimowski
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death23/01/25 22:57:00 Simon Hayes
      Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death23/01/25 10:02:00 Simon Hayes
         Re:Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death24/01/25 12:47:00 Ben Owen
            Re:Re:Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death24/01/25 13:33:00 Simon Hayes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death24/01/25 14:34:00 Ben Owen
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death24/01/25 14:54:00 Simon Hayes
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death25/01/25 09:55:00 Philippa Bond
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death25/01/25 10:02:00 N V Brooks
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:20mph greatly reduces chances of serious injury or death25/01/25 17:46:00 Peter Yale

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