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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:The will of the dead people
Posted by: Andy Jones
Date/Time: 05/07/18 16:42:00

This is a very outdated view of the EU that fundamentally misunderstands the way in which it has changed over the past few decades.  When the organisation was much smaller there were people in France, German and Italy who saw increased political union as a desirable goal but even in their own countries they were a minority. Margaret Thatcher was probably the first to realise how the single market and expansion of the EU actually weakened the case for political union. Do you really believe that these nations hold their sovereignty any more cheaply than we do? It is self-evident that the more countries that join the less power can reside in the centre and that is exactly what has happened. Britain was always the most enthusiastic advocate of expansion perhaps because it saw the dangers in being in an organisation that could be dominated by a Franco-German alliance.

Similarly the idea that the Euro was imposed on countries is a false one. After generations in which their economies were hamstrung by fiscal mismanagement, many people in these countries looked towards joining the Euro as a way of ending the cycle of progressive impoverishment and decline which occurred when their governments were simply allowed to debase their way out of a deficit i.e. by robbing domestic savers. It is not true to say that most of the countries are worse off since they joined. Even allowing for the impact of the global financial crisis the growth rates in these economies has been well above historical norms.

The view that current economic problems in many of these countries could be solved by leaving the Euro is totally incorrect. Debasing the currency and defaulting on overseas loans (thereby ending the inward flow of capital that funds growth) would lead to a huge contraction in the economy of anyone that went down that route. The problems that many of these countries have is not down to the requirement to keep budget deficits below a certain level but restrictive labour practices which have led to massive youth unemployment and stifled growth. These are policies which are set by national governments not the EU.




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The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 09:20:00 Andy Jones
   Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 11:35:00 Graham Weeks
      Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 13:35:00 Paul Scullion
         Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 13:38:00 Graham Weeks
            Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 13:41:00 Paul Scullion
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 13:48:00 Simon Deakin
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 15:48:00 Peter Chadburn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 17:44:00 Tricia Arbuthnot
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 14:23:00 Paul James
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 18:28:00 Graham Weeks
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 18:26:00 Graham Weeks
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 23:18:00 Paul Scullion
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 05:29:00 Graham Weeks
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 06:11:00 Colin Goodman
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 06:45:00 Graham Weeks
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 09:20:00 Peter Chadburn
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 09:50:00 Graham Weeks
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 09:59:00 Graham Weeks
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 10:05:00 Peter Chadburn
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 10:12:00 Graham Weeks
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 10:04:00 Andy Jones
      Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 14:22:00 Paul James
         Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 14:30:00 Peter Chadburn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit27/06/18 11:01:00 Vlod Barchuk
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit27/06/18 11:28:00 Paul Webster
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit27/06/18 14:33:00 Peter Chadburn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit28/06/18 10:42:00 Andy Jones
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit28/06/18 10:57:00 Peter Chadburn
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit02/07/18 13:01:00 Vlod Barchuk
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit02/07/18 16:16:00 Andy Jones
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 09:57:00 Paul James
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 09:53:00 Paul James
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 11:19:00 Paul Webster
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 11:27:00 Paul James
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 17:23:00 Graham Weeks
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit04/07/18 07:27:00 Paul James
   Re:The Will of the People and Brexit28/06/18 10:17:00 Nick Foote
      Re:The Will of the People and Brexit28/06/18 15:01:00 Stuart Green
         Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit30/06/18 18:15:00 Rosa Popham
            Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit30/06/18 22:17:00 Graham Weeks
            Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit01/07/18 10:08:00 Andy Jones
               Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 10:00:00 Paul James
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 16:33:00 Thelma Leach
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 17:05:00 Graham Weeks
            Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 10:15:00 Paul James
               Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 17:09:00 Graham Weeks
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 22:52:00 Paul James
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit04/07/18 06:28:00 Graham Weeks
            Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit04/07/18 13:45:00 Nick Foote
         Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit30/06/18 22:42:00 Peter Chadburn
            Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit30/06/18 22:51:00 Graham Weeks
               Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit30/06/18 23:40:00 Peter Chadburn
            Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit01/07/18 12:07:00 Peter Yale
               The will of the dead people02/07/18 09:35:00 Graham Southworth
                  Re:The will of the dead people04/07/18 13:51:00 Nick Foote
                     Re:Re:The will of the dead people04/07/18 17:21:00 Graham Weeks
                        Re:Re:The will of the dead people05/07/18 11:21:00 Sue Rowe
                           Re:Re:Re:The will of the dead people05/07/18 12:14:00 Graham Weeks
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:The will of the dead people05/07/18 14:03:00 Rosa Popham
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:The will of the dead people05/07/18 16:42:00 Andy Jones
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The will of the dead people06/07/18 00:26:00 Peter Chadburn
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The will of the dead people06/07/18 10:13:00 Paul James
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The will of the dead people06/07/18 11:11:00 Peter Chadburn
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The will of the dead people06/07/18 18:52:00 Graham Weeks
                                          Reply10/07/18 10:09:00 Stuart Green
                                             Re:Reply11/07/18 15:58:00 Paul James

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