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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit
Posted by: Andy Jones
Date/Time: 28/06/18 10:42:00

Vlod claims that both sides were clear at the time of the referendum that leaving the EU necessarily meant leaving the Single Market and the Customs Union. This claim doesn't really stand up to the most cursory inspection.

While it is true to say that the information issued by the Government about the referendum did say that leaving the EU would mean that we would also leave the single market this was not generally emphasised by the Remain campaign. On the Leave side some prominent campaigners such as Nigel Farage and Daniel Hannan are on record as saying that it would be entirely possible to leave the EU and remain in the single market.

If you look at the wording of what was on the referendum ballot forms no mention is made of the single market or customs union - it simply says should we remain in the EU or leave.

It is certain that a meaningful proportion of people who voted Leave did so on the basis that they wished to leave the EU but wanted to stay in the single market. The Norway option was widely discussed at the time of the Referendum.

The inescapable fact is that virtually nobody, even those proposing leaving, had anything but a superficial understanding of the potential implications. The Irish border issues was barely mentioned at the time and a host of other challenges have arisen which were never anticipated. Personally although on occasion my job brings me into contact with EU bureaucracy I really wouldn't have been able to tell you the difference between the single market and the customs union or the European Court of Justice and the European Court of Human Rights. This probably will be the same for the vast majority of the population, some of whom are currently government ministers. Therefore the idea that the British population made an informed decision and gave a clear message about leaving these institutions is transparently false.


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TopicDate PostedPosted By
The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 09:20:00 Andy Jones
   Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 11:35:00 Graham Weeks
      Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 13:35:00 Paul Scullion
         Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 13:38:00 Graham Weeks
            Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 13:41:00 Paul Scullion
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 13:48:00 Simon Deakin
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 15:48:00 Peter Chadburn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 17:44:00 Tricia Arbuthnot
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 14:23:00 Paul James
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 18:28:00 Graham Weeks
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 18:26:00 Graham Weeks
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit25/06/18 23:18:00 Paul Scullion
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 05:29:00 Graham Weeks
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 06:11:00 Colin Goodman
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 06:45:00 Graham Weeks
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 09:20:00 Peter Chadburn
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 09:50:00 Graham Weeks
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 09:59:00 Graham Weeks
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 10:05:00 Peter Chadburn
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 10:12:00 Graham Weeks
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 10:04:00 Andy Jones
      Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 14:22:00 Paul James
         Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit26/06/18 14:30:00 Peter Chadburn
            Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit27/06/18 11:01:00 Vlod Barchuk
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit27/06/18 11:28:00 Paul Webster
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit27/06/18 14:33:00 Peter Chadburn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit28/06/18 10:42:00 Andy Jones
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit28/06/18 10:57:00 Peter Chadburn
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit02/07/18 13:01:00 Vlod Barchuk
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit02/07/18 16:16:00 Andy Jones
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 09:57:00 Paul James
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 09:53:00 Paul James
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 11:19:00 Paul Webster
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 11:27:00 Paul James
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 17:23:00 Graham Weeks
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit04/07/18 07:27:00 Paul James
   Re:The Will of the People and Brexit28/06/18 10:17:00 Nick Foote
      Re:The Will of the People and Brexit28/06/18 15:01:00 Stuart Green
         Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit30/06/18 18:15:00 Rosa Popham
            Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit30/06/18 22:17:00 Graham Weeks
            Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit01/07/18 10:08:00 Andy Jones
               Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 10:00:00 Paul James
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 16:33:00 Thelma Leach
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 17:05:00 Graham Weeks
            Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 10:15:00 Paul James
               Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 17:09:00 Graham Weeks
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit03/07/18 22:52:00 Paul James
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit04/07/18 06:28:00 Graham Weeks
            Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit04/07/18 13:45:00 Nick Foote
         Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit30/06/18 22:42:00 Peter Chadburn
            Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit30/06/18 22:51:00 Graham Weeks
               Re:Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit30/06/18 23:40:00 Peter Chadburn
            Re:Re:Re:The Will of the People and Brexit01/07/18 12:07:00 Peter Yale
               The will of the dead people02/07/18 09:35:00 Graham Southworth
                  Re:The will of the dead people04/07/18 13:51:00 Nick Foote
                     Re:Re:The will of the dead people04/07/18 17:21:00 Graham Weeks
                        Re:Re:The will of the dead people05/07/18 11:21:00 Sue Rowe
                           Re:Re:Re:The will of the dead people05/07/18 12:14:00 Graham Weeks
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:The will of the dead people05/07/18 14:03:00 Rosa Popham
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:The will of the dead people05/07/18 16:42:00 Andy Jones
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The will of the dead people06/07/18 00:26:00 Peter Chadburn
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The will of the dead people06/07/18 10:13:00 Paul James
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The will of the dead people06/07/18 11:11:00 Peter Chadburn
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:The will of the dead people06/07/18 18:52:00 Graham Weeks
                                          Reply10/07/18 10:09:00 Stuart Green
                                             Re:Reply11/07/18 15:58:00 Paul James

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