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Topic: It is hard to know WHO to believe about re-infection (no pun intended). C.f. face masks
Posted by: Mark Julian Raymond
Date/Time: 29/04/20 15:20:00

Vlod, it is indeed hard to know WHO to believe (no pun  intended)about re-infection or indeed face masks

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-catch-twice/

According to Full Fact a UK independent fact checking charity,

'It's very rare to catch Covid-19 twice'

Claim, Some recovered Covid-19 patients catch the disease again
Conclusion, There may have been some rare cases of reinfection with Covid-19, but most people seem to be immune afterwards, at least in the short term

Fullfact.org goes on to say, 'A few readers have asked us whether you can catch Covid-19 twice. This follows reports at the end of February that a Japanese woman had tested positive a second time.  A recent article in the Daily Mail and two articles in the Sun also suggested in their headlines and their early paragraphs that this might be the case.
The evidence so far shows that catching the disease twice is very rare, and that most infected people recover and develop immunity against it. However, it is not yet clear how long this immunity will last.
When a journalist raised the case of the woman in Japan at the Prime Minister’s press conference on 16 March, the Chief Scientific Advisor, Sir Patrick Vallance said: “In any infectious disease there are cases where people can catch something again. They’re rare. There’s nothing to suggest that this is a common occurrence in this disease, but we are learning as we go along.”
A report from the European Centre for Disease Control and Prevention on 25 March says, “there is emerging evidence from early studies suggesting that individuals develop antibodies after infection and are likely to be immune from reinfection in the short term”.
During a live question-and-answer session on 25 March, Professor Jimmy Whitworth from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine said: “There have been a few isolated examples where [reinfection] has been reported. That people were positive, then they were negative, then they were positive again.
“It looks like, in the great majority of cases, this doesn’t happen. That people get infected once. My suspicion is that those discrepant test results that we get are to do with, actually, the sampling. It’s not straightforward to take a sample from the back of the throat and make sure you catch virus every time. So I suspect it’s a technical issue, rather than repeat infection… It looks like you are immune for getting it again, but for how long, we don’t know yet.”
The articles in the Daily Mail and the Sun cite several reports from China, which describe a small number of recovered Covid-19 patients testing positive for the disease again.
As the Mail and Sun articles say, based on local reports, the patients who tested positive twice in Wuhan showed no symptoms the second time and none apparently passed the disease to others.
The same was true of a group of patients who tested positive twice in Guangdong province. The Sun quotes a doctor involved in the research saying  the results were in the “weak positive” range, suggesting that the virus may no longer have been active. He also added that there may have been problems with sampling.
The Mail quotes the director of Wuhan’s Tongji Hospital, Wang Wei, saying: “It’s possible that these recovered patients tested negative before because of false results... The accuracy of a nucleic acid test is 30 to 50 per cent.”
In short, these cases do not show that it is common for people to contract Covid-19 twice, as it is possible that the virus had not yet left these patients’ bodies after their first infection.

By Leo Benedictus


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            Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it wrong to hope Trump gets COVID-19?30/04/20 12:43:00 James Putland
   Reply27/03/20 14:26:00 N V Brooks
      Reply27/03/20 16:30:00 Gordon Southwell
         Re:Reply27/03/20 16:48:00 Susan Kelly
   Re:Is it wrong to hope Trump gets COVID-19?27/03/20 17:29:00 Nick Goodliffe
      Re:Re:Is it wrong to hope Trump gets COVID-19?27/03/20 20:39:00 Peter Chadburn
         Re:Re:Re:Is it wrong to hope Trump gets COVID-19?07/04/20 21:14:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it wrong to hope Trump gets COVID-19?09/04/20 10:15:00 Tricia Arbuthnot
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it wrong to hope Trump gets COVID-19?09/04/20 12:33:00 Peter Chadburn
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it wrong to hope Trump gets COVID-19?11/04/20 16:37:00 Vlod Barchuk
                     Hopefully we will know soon if Hydroxychloroquine really works or not and how well it works11/04/20 20:52:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                        Slight correction and amplification11/04/20 22:02:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                           Re:Slight correction and amplification12/04/20 07:04:00 Nicholas Beard
                        Re:Hopefully we will know soon if Hydroxychloroquine really works or not and how well it works12/04/20 06:53:00 Nicholas Beard
                           Working U.K. vaccine by September, then how to manufacture it12/04/20 11:57:00 Mark Julian Raymond
   Trump is a pseud09/04/20 21:06:00 Mark Julian Raymond
   Is it wrong to hope Tricia and other posh lefties get it ?14/04/20 05:36:00 Dennis Brogan
      Re:Is it wrong to hope Tricia and other posh lefties get it ?15/04/20 08:10:00 Tricia Arbuthnot
         More nonsense from Tricia !16/04/20 07:12:00 Dennis Brogan
            Re:More nonsense from Tricia !16/04/20 11:14:00 Mark Julian Raymond
               Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !16/04/20 17:18:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !16/04/20 17:39:00 Rosco White
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !16/04/20 20:50:00 Philippa Bond
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !16/04/20 21:26:00 Rosco White
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !17/04/20 10:44:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !17/04/20 00:29:00 Rosco White
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !17/04/20 10:32:00 Andy Jones
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !17/04/20 13:17:00 Rosco White
                           PS - Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !17/04/20 14:31:00 Rosco White
                              Re:PS - Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !17/04/20 15:04:00 Andy Jones
                                 Re:Re:PS - Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !17/04/20 19:41:00 Peter Chadburn
                                    I like the sound of Remdesivir18/04/20 20:44:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                                       Re:I like the sound of Remdesivir18/04/20 22:47:00 Peter Yale
                                        Sadly Remdesivir fails trial24/04/20 00:39:00 Mark Julian Raymond
   Reply24/04/20 10:17:00 N V Brooks
      Dangerous and weird, Coronavirus detected on particles of air pollution24/04/20 20:42:00 Mark Julian Raymond
         Re:Dangerous and weird, Coronavirus detected on particles of air pollution25/04/20 06:33:00 Nicholas Beard
      Re:Reply24/04/20 21:06:00 Rosco White
         Re:Re:Reply25/04/20 12:51:00 Andy Jones
            Re:Re:Re:Reply25/04/20 15:49:00 Vlod Barchuk
            Re:Re:Re:Reply25/04/20 16:37:00 Rosco White
               Reply25/04/20 17:14:00 N V Brooks
                  You can catch Covid-19 MORE than once - I feel sorry for recovered NHS workers27/04/20 13:04:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                     Re:You can catch Covid-19 MORE than once - I feel sorry for recovered NHS workers27/04/20 17:20:00 Rosco White
                        Re:Re:You can catch Covid-19 MORE than once - I feel sorry for recovered NHS workers27/04/20 17:36:00 Andy Jones
                           Re:Re:Re:You can catch Covid-19 MORE than once - I feel sorry for recovered NHS workers27/04/20 22:05:00 Rosco White
                              See Dr. Birx's reaction to Trump's dangerous suggestion27/04/20 22:29:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                                 Reply28/04/20 09:26:00 Gordon Southwell
                                    Re:Reply28/04/20 15:02:00 Rosco White
                                       Reply28/04/20 16:18:00 Gordon Southwell
                     Don't believe the WHO29/04/20 10:03:00 Vlod Barchuk
                        Re:Don't believe the WHO29/04/20 14:41:00 Peter Evans
                        It is hard to know WHO to believe about re-infection (no pun intended). C.f. face masks29/04/20 15:20:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                           Re:It is hard to know WHO to believe about re-infection (no pun intended). C.f. face masks30/04/20 13:13:00 Rosco White
                              PS - Sunlight and Covid.30/04/20 14:40:00 Rosco White
                                 Like a phoenix from the ashes, Remdesivir now shows promise in Coronavirus treatment 30/04/20 17:00:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                                    Reinfection01/05/20 09:57:00 Andy Jones
                                       Re:Reinfection01/05/20 10:25:00 Vlod Barchuk
                                       Re:Reinfection01/05/20 10:30:00 Vlod Barchuk
                                          Re:Re:Reinfection01/05/20 11:06:00 Andy Jones

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