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Topic: Slight correction and amplification
Posted by: Mark Julian Raymond
Date/Time: 11/04/20 22:02:00


A slight correction, the Oxford University 'Recovery Trial' involves three treatments including hydroxychloroquine and not three treatments and hydroxychloroquine as I wrongly said previously.

The following three pieces are worth reading, the third Daily Mail piece puts the 'Trump study' in perspective, 

Thursday, April 9, 2020
NIH clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine, a potential therapy for COVID-19, begins

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-clinical-trial-hydroxychloroquine-potential-therapy-covid-19-begins

Oxford recruits 2,700 virus patients for fast-growing drugs trial
‘Recovery’ will evaluate existing medicines that might be effective against Covid-19
Clive Cookson, Financial Times, Friday 10th April 2020

https://www.ft.com/content/f4e3055e-72e2-459d-ba66-05af7d2c8915

Publisher of hydroxychloroquine research touted by Trump as a 'game changer' says the paper 'did not meet its standards' because it EXCLUDED data on patients who did not respond well to the treatment

Daily Mail, Friday 10th April

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8205773/Publisher-hydroxychloroquine-study-hailed-Trump-said-complete-failure.html

IN SOME MORE DETAIL

Oxford recruits 2,700 virus patients for fast-growing drugs trial
Oxford recruits 2,700 virus patients for fast-growing drugs trial
‘Recovery’ will evaluate existing medicines that might be effective against Covid-19


‘Recovery’ will evaluate existing medicines that might be effective against Covid-19
The ‘Recovery’ trial is evaluating existing medicines that might be effective against coronavirus
‘Recovery’ is the largest of many Covid-19 trials under way around the world © Cyril Marcilhacy/Bloomberg

The fastest-growing clinical trial in medical history has enrolled more than 2,700 Covid-19 patients in UK hospitals to test potential treatments for coronavirus disease — and thousands more are likely to join over the next few weeks.

Peter Horby, professor of infectious diseases at the University of Oxford, who is leading the project, said no controlled clinical trial — in which people are assigned at random to receive different drugs and the results compared — had ever expanded so quickly and on such a large scale.

“We need to recruit very fast while the epidemic is approaching its peak, so that we have enough patients to provide firm data,” he said. The trial is called Recovery, a somewhat tortured acronym for randomised evaluation of Covid-19 therapy.

Prof Horby was involved in clinical trials carried out during the early weeks of the coronavirus epidemic in China. These generally ended up with too few subjects to provide firm evidence, he said, because the Chinese government’s clampdown on Covid-19 reduced transmission of the virus very quickly.

Scientists have not had nearly enough time to develop new treatments specifically for Covid-19, so Recovery is evaluating existing medicines that might be effective against coronavirus.
Professor Peter Horby said no controlled clinical trial had expanded so quickly and on such a large scale © Fisher Studios

The trial started by examining three treatments recommended by an expert panel advising the chief medical officer. They are: the lopinavir-ritonavir combination used to treat HIV; dexamethasone, a steroid that reduces inflammation; and hydroxychloroquine, the malaria medicine.

Patients arriving at 130 NHS hospitals across the UK with confirmed Covid-19 are invited to take part. They are allocated randomly to four groups. Three are given one of the trial treatments and the fourth — the control group — just receives standard medical care.

“We can add further medicines to the trial within days,” said Prof Horby. “This week we are adding azithromycin, an antibiotic with anti-inflammatory properties.”




Thursday, April 9, 2020
NIH clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine, a potential therapy for COVID-19, begins

Novel Coronavirus SARS-CoV-2
Colorized scanning electron micrograph of an apoptotic cell (green) heavily infected with SARS-COV-2 virus particles (purple), isolated from a patient sample. Image captured and color-enhanced at the NIAID Integrated Research Facility (IRF) in Fort Detrick, Maryland.NIAID

A clinical trial to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of adults hospitalized with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) has begun, with the first participants now enrolled in Tennessee.

The Outcomes Related to COVID-19 treated with hydroxychloroquine among In-patients with symptomatic Disease study, or ORCHID Study, is being conducted by the Prevention and Early Treatment of Acute Lung Injury (PETAL) Clinical Trials Network of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI), part of the National Institutes of Health.

The first participants have enrolled in the trial at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, Nashville, one of dozens of centers in the PETAL Network. The blinded, placebo-controlled randomized clinical trial aims to enroll more than 500 adults who are currently hospitalized with COVID-19 or in an emergency department with anticipated hospitalization. All participants in the study will continue to receive clinical care as indicated for their condition.  Those randomized to the experimental intervention will also receive hydroxychloroquine.

“Effective therapies for COVID-19 are urgently needed,” said James P. Kiley, director, Division of Lung Diseases, NHLBI.  “Hydroxychloroquine has showed promise in a lab setting against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19 and preliminary reports suggest potential efficacy in small studies with patients. However, we really need clinical trial data to determine whether hydroxychloroquine is effective and safe in treating COVID-19.”

Daily Mail, 10th April

Publisher of hydroxychloroquine research touted by Trump as a 'game changer' says the paper 'did not meet its standards' because it EXCLUDED data on patients who did not respond well to the treatment
A small-scale French study said it found that hydroxychloroquine could reduce the duration of coronavirus in patients
President Trump has hailed the drug - in combination with azithromycin, an antibiotic - a game changer in treatment
The medical society that published the research now says it 'does not meet the Society's expected standard'
Researchers did not include data about six of the 26 patients that 'left' the study and did not explain what 'virologically cured' meant

By Mary Kekatos Senior Health Reporter For Dailymail.com
Published: 21:52, 9 April 2020 | Updated: 07:20, 10 April 2020
The publisher of the French study that found hydroxychloroquine could help treat coronavirus patients is now saying the paper 'did not meet its standards.'
President Donald Trump has hailed the research in tweets and during his daily press conferences as a 'game changer.'
But in a statement published online, the International Society of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy (ISAC) addressed several new concerns with the research.
Officials say they found out the researchers excluded data on patients who didn't respond well to the treatment and that they did not clarify what they meant when they said patients were 'virologically cured.'
A small-scale French study said it found that hydroxychloroquine (file image) could reduce the duration of coronavirus in patients
President Donald Trump has hailed the drug - in combination with azithromycin, an antibiotic - a game changer in treatment.
President Donald Trump has hailed the drug - in combination with azithromycin, an antibiotic - a game changer in treatment. Pictured:  Trump speaks about the coronavirus at the White House, April 8
The medical society that published the study now says it 'does not meet the Society's expected standard'  because researchers did not include data about six of the 26 patients that 'left' the study and did explain what 'virologically cured' meant.
The medical society that published the study now says it 'does not meet the Society's expected standard'  because researchers did not include data about six of the 26 patients that 'left' the study and did explain what 'virologically cured' meant.
The study was first published online in ISAC's journal, the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents, on March 20.
Researchers from the Méditerrannée Infection University Hospital Institute in Marseille, France, had 20 patients take hydroxychloroquine in combination with azithromycin, an antibiotic.  
They found the the combination was linked to 'viral load reduction/disappearance in COVID-19 patients.'
The team began with 26 patients but  six were 'lost in follow up during the survey because of early cessation of treatment,' according to the study.
Three of the six ended up in the intensive care unit, a fourth patient died, one stopped treatment after experiencing nausea and the last ended up not having the virus.
In the US, there are more than 435,000 confirmed cases of the virus and more than 14,000 deaths
In the US, there are more than 435,000 confirmed cases of the virus and more than 14,000 deaths
'Although ISAC recognises it is important to help the scientific community by publishing new data fast, this cannot be at the cost of reducing scientific scrutiny and best practices,' Andreas Voss, the president of the society, wrote in a statement.
He then made note that one of the study's authors, Jean-Marc Rolain, is editor-in-chief of the journal in which it was published.
'Despite some suggestions online as to the reliability of the article's peer review process, the process did adhere to the industry's peer review rules,' Voss wrote. 
'Given his role as Editor in Chief of this journal, Jean-Marc Rolain had no involvement in the peer review of the manuscript and has no access to information regarding its peer review.'
Voss did not immediately reply to DailyMail.com's request for comment.
Arthur Caplan, a bioethics professor in the department of population health at NYU School of Medicine, called the study 'pathetic' especially because the results of the six patients that were dropped [were not factored into the study's final conclusions.]
'I think [the research is] based on a pathetic study that lost six of the 26 patients,' Caplan told DailyMail.com.
'It hid data. It got retracted because it was a farce.'


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            Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it wrong to hope Trump gets COVID-19?30/04/20 12:43:00 James Putland
   Reply27/03/20 14:26:00 N V Brooks
      Reply27/03/20 16:30:00 Gordon Southwell
         Re:Reply27/03/20 16:48:00 Susan Kelly
   Re:Is it wrong to hope Trump gets COVID-19?27/03/20 17:29:00 Nick Goodliffe
      Re:Re:Is it wrong to hope Trump gets COVID-19?27/03/20 20:39:00 Peter Chadburn
         Re:Re:Re:Is it wrong to hope Trump gets COVID-19?07/04/20 21:14:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it wrong to hope Trump gets COVID-19?09/04/20 10:15:00 Tricia Arbuthnot
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it wrong to hope Trump gets COVID-19?09/04/20 12:33:00 Peter Chadburn
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Is it wrong to hope Trump gets COVID-19?11/04/20 16:37:00 Vlod Barchuk
                     Hopefully we will know soon if Hydroxychloroquine really works or not and how well it works11/04/20 20:52:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                        Slight correction and amplification11/04/20 22:02:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                           Re:Slight correction and amplification12/04/20 07:04:00 Nicholas Beard
                        Re:Hopefully we will know soon if Hydroxychloroquine really works or not and how well it works12/04/20 06:53:00 Nicholas Beard
                           Working U.K. vaccine by September, then how to manufacture it12/04/20 11:57:00 Mark Julian Raymond
   Trump is a pseud09/04/20 21:06:00 Mark Julian Raymond
   Is it wrong to hope Tricia and other posh lefties get it ?14/04/20 05:36:00 Dennis Brogan
      Re:Is it wrong to hope Tricia and other posh lefties get it ?15/04/20 08:10:00 Tricia Arbuthnot
         More nonsense from Tricia !16/04/20 07:12:00 Dennis Brogan
            Re:More nonsense from Tricia !16/04/20 11:14:00 Mark Julian Raymond
               Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !16/04/20 17:18:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !16/04/20 17:39:00 Rosco White
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !16/04/20 20:50:00 Philippa Bond
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !16/04/20 21:26:00 Rosco White
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !17/04/20 10:44:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !17/04/20 00:29:00 Rosco White
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !17/04/20 10:32:00 Andy Jones
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !17/04/20 13:17:00 Rosco White
                           PS - Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !17/04/20 14:31:00 Rosco White
                              Re:PS - Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !17/04/20 15:04:00 Andy Jones
                                 Re:Re:PS - Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:More nonsense from Tricia !17/04/20 19:41:00 Peter Chadburn
                                    I like the sound of Remdesivir18/04/20 20:44:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                                       Re:I like the sound of Remdesivir18/04/20 22:47:00 Peter Yale
                                        Sadly Remdesivir fails trial24/04/20 00:39:00 Mark Julian Raymond
   Reply24/04/20 10:17:00 N V Brooks
      Dangerous and weird, Coronavirus detected on particles of air pollution24/04/20 20:42:00 Mark Julian Raymond
         Re:Dangerous and weird, Coronavirus detected on particles of air pollution25/04/20 06:33:00 Nicholas Beard
      Re:Reply24/04/20 21:06:00 Rosco White
         Re:Re:Reply25/04/20 12:51:00 Andy Jones
            Re:Re:Re:Reply25/04/20 15:49:00 Vlod Barchuk
            Re:Re:Re:Reply25/04/20 16:37:00 Rosco White
               Reply25/04/20 17:14:00 N V Brooks
                  You can catch Covid-19 MORE than once - I feel sorry for recovered NHS workers27/04/20 13:04:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                     Re:You can catch Covid-19 MORE than once - I feel sorry for recovered NHS workers27/04/20 17:20:00 Rosco White
                        Re:Re:You can catch Covid-19 MORE than once - I feel sorry for recovered NHS workers27/04/20 17:36:00 Andy Jones
                           Re:Re:Re:You can catch Covid-19 MORE than once - I feel sorry for recovered NHS workers27/04/20 22:05:00 Rosco White
                              See Dr. Birx's reaction to Trump's dangerous suggestion27/04/20 22:29:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                                 Reply28/04/20 09:26:00 Gordon Southwell
                                    Re:Reply28/04/20 15:02:00 Rosco White
                                       Reply28/04/20 16:18:00 Gordon Southwell
                     Don't believe the WHO29/04/20 10:03:00 Vlod Barchuk
                        Re:Don't believe the WHO29/04/20 14:41:00 Peter Evans
                        It is hard to know WHO to believe about re-infection (no pun intended). C.f. face masks29/04/20 15:20:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                           Re:It is hard to know WHO to believe about re-infection (no pun intended). C.f. face masks30/04/20 13:13:00 Rosco White
                              PS - Sunlight and Covid.30/04/20 14:40:00 Rosco White
                                 Like a phoenix from the ashes, Remdesivir now shows promise in Coronavirus treatment 30/04/20 17:00:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                                    Reinfection01/05/20 09:57:00 Andy Jones
                                       Re:Reinfection01/05/20 10:25:00 Vlod Barchuk
                                       Re:Reinfection01/05/20 10:30:00 Vlod Barchuk
                                          Re:Re:Reinfection01/05/20 11:06:00 Andy Jones

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