| Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit at the golf club | |
| Posted by: | Andy Jones | |
| Date/Time: | 20/11/17 17:37:00 |
| There is a fund to pay EU pensions but, like most funds here in the UK low interest rates has led to a fall in the actuarial value leading to an underfunding. The amount is a fraction of the underfunding of both state and private sector pensions in the UK. It isn't in dispute that we have to pay our share of the shortfall but the discount rate used to calculate how much it is hasn't been decided. Working out the present day cost of future liabilities is fiendishly complex but I have not heard it being claimed that the discount rates being proposed by the EU are unreasonable. The problem is that a caucus of Tory MPs are not going to accept much more than the E20 billion mentioned by Theresa May in her Florence speech. Our own expert negotiators would accept that the final number should be in the E40-50 million range based on internationally recognised principles and the EU is unlikely to err on the side of generosity as the rates used will establish a precedent should another country decide to leave. The agreed sum also has to be ratified by the 27 remaining members. Gove and Johnson want to make the 'divorce' payment a red line but they are doing so for entirely party political reasons. It may be that they will cheerfully see the talks break down over the issue or it may simply be that they don't understand or care that grandstanding over the exit bill is a short cut to no deal. They just want Theresa May out. Assuming there isn't a full blown economic crisis should this happen the problem won't end there. Theresa May's government remains dependent on the DUP and although they are notionally a Brexit party they are not going to accept the hard border that would necessarily follow no deal. The Conservatives would lose their majority in parliament even assuming that 'the mutineers' continue to vote with the party in a 'no deal' scenario. Remember David Davis has said that parliament will get a vote on the deal which necessarily includes a lack of a deal. It seems extremely unlikely that 'no deal' would get through parliament. Quite how this all gets resolved is unclear. Another election seems inevitable and with the economy deteriorating and likely to suffer more if 'no deal' becomes a probability the Tories main weapon against Corbyn, his perceived economic ineptitude, becomes less potent. It is hard to tell people your opponent will screw up the economy if you are doing it yourself. |
| Topic | Date Posted | Posted By |
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| Re:Brexit | 28/08/17 17:13:00 | Andy Jones |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 15:43:00 | Graham Weeks |
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| Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 10:55:00 | Peter Chadburn |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 05/09/17 20:54:00 | Vlod Barchuk |
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| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 08/09/17 16:02:00 | Brian Conneller |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 12/09/17 08:36:00 | Helena Cavanagh |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 09:30:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 10:54:00 | Keith Iddon |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 20/09/17 16:27:00 | Vlod Barchuk |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 20/09/17 16:48:00 | Graham Weeks |
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| Re:Re:Brexit at the golf club | 17/11/17 16:48:00 | Keith Iddon |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 09/12/17 05:05:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 10/12/17 04:25:00 | Graham Weeks |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 12/12/17 05:22:00 | Graham Weeks |
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