| Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | |
| Posted by: | Andy Jones | |
| Date/Time: | 05/09/17 06:17:00 |
| Are you really prepared to endorse Peter Shore's vision for the UK outside of Europe? He was an unreconstructed Clause 4 socialist whose problem with joining the EU was that it restricted the ability of the Government to run an autarky and opt the UK out of the global economy. This would have allowed the state to support failing industries and direct prices and wages. This is what he means by taking back control. I very much doubt this is what you want for the future of this country. You appear to have made the mistake of assuming that because someone has used some buzz phrases that you agree with that he shares your point of view. Peter Shore was an intelligent man and I'd be surprised if subsequent events didn't make him change his mind. Globalisation has delivered an unprecedented period of sustained economic growth and dramatically reduced poverty across the world. It isn't perfect and the benefits are uneven but very few people are seriously advocating opting out of the global economy anymore. The only state in the world that has this policy is North Korea which follows Kim Il-Sung's philosophy of juche or self-sufficiency. If you think it would be better if we were all equal in our poverty then he is the chap for you. Probably only John McDonnell has views that are similar to this these days which is why Labour's policy has become so confused. If we have a hard Brexit there are basically two very different roads the country will take. If a Corbynite Labour government are in power they will look to turn their back on globalisation. If it is the Conservatives then it will be globalisation on steroids. The difference between these two positions is even more fundamental than whether or not we stay in the EU. In citing Peter Shore's speech are you saying that you share his vision for our country's future? |
| Topic | Date Posted | Posted By |
| Brexit | 28/08/17 16:16:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Brexit | 28/08/17 17:13:00 | Andy Jones |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 10:52:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 15:11:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 15:35:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 15:43:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 18:55:00 | Helena Cavanagh |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 05/09/17 09:40:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 19:06:00 | Libby Kemp |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 22:44:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 10:55:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 12:20:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 12:37:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 15:58:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 22:30:00 | Peter Yale |
| Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 10:49:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 14:17:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 14:37:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 15:06:00 | Andy Jones |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 05/09/17 20:54:00 | Vlod Barchuk |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 03/09/17 09:09:00 | Tricia Arbuthnot |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 04/09/17 06:16:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 09/09/17 17:34:00 | Peter Yale |
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| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 08/09/17 16:02:00 | Brian Conneller |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 12/09/17 08:36:00 | Helena Cavanagh |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 08:10:00 | Graham Weeks |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 18/09/17 13:58:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 18/09/17 16:07:00 | Paul Corcoran |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 20/09/17 16:27:00 | Vlod Barchuk |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 20/09/17 16:48:00 | Graham Weeks |
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