| Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Brexit | |
| Posted by: | Andy Jones | |
| Date/Time: | 31/08/17 14:17:00 |
| The problem with being anti-immigration isn't necessarily due to any imputed racism but that it is based on a misconception. The primary reason that our population is growing so fast is not immigration but increased life expectancy. The fastest growing section of the population is the over 65s. If you look at the prime working age population it has been more or less static for the last 20 years and now looks set to fall if the Government's immigration targets are met. We don't have a fixed stock of schools, housing and hospitals that are either full or not full depending on how many people are in the country. They can be changed according to demand depending on our ability to pay. The problem with our current population structure is that we have an increased proportion of people who make a demand on resources but make little or no net contribution to paying for them. This problem is particularly acute now in the NHS but we are only at base camp of the mountain we need to climb in that regard. The current path we are on works on the assumption that an ever smaller active workforce will be able and willing to pay for an ever larger dependent population of older people. It may be that younger people will be prepared to work longer and harder to pay for benefits and support for other people that they themselves have no prospect of ever receiving - we'll have to wait and see. In Germany there is a greater consensus about the scale of the problem and what needs to be done hence the lack of opposition to Angela Merkel's open door for refugees. They must be looking in wonder at the way we are closing the door on an influx of people who are relatively better educated and are likely to integrate with much more ease. The irony of hard Brexit is that it is likely to lead to more immigration not less. Trade is much more complex than it used to be and movement of people will definitely be part of the free trade deals we will need to sign. So maybe it's not all bad. |
| Topic | Date Posted | Posted By |
| Brexit | 28/08/17 16:16:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Brexit | 28/08/17 17:13:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 02:27:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 10:21:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 10:52:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 15:11:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 15:35:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 15:43:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 18:55:00 | Helena Cavanagh |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 05/09/17 08:23:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 05/09/17 09:40:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 19:06:00 | Libby Kemp |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 22:44:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 10:55:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 12:20:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 12:37:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 15:58:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 22:30:00 | Peter Yale |
| Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 10:49:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 14:17:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 14:37:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 15:06:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 20:01:00 | Vlod Barchuk |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 01/09/17 09:44:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 01/09/17 11:11:00 | Vlod Barchuk |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 01/09/17 14:40:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 01/09/17 16:30:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 05/09/17 20:54:00 | Vlod Barchuk |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 14:28:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 16:00:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 01/09/17 09:57:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 03/09/17 09:09:00 | Tricia Arbuthnot |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 04/09/17 06:16:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 09/09/17 17:34:00 | Peter Yale |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 04/09/17 07:35:00 | Keith Iddon |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 04/09/17 14:33:00 | Graham Weeks |
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| Re:Brexit | 01/09/17 09:58:00 | Tony Wood |
| Re:Brexit | 05/09/17 08:25:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Brexit | 07/09/17 15:05:00 | Brian Conneller |
| Re:Re:Brexit | 07/09/17 16:04:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 08/09/17 16:02:00 | Brian Conneller |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 08/09/17 18:13:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 11/09/17 08:18:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 11/09/17 10:03:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 12/09/17 08:36:00 | Helena Cavanagh |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 08:10:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 09:30:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 10:54:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 11:28:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 13:33:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 13:56:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 14:29:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 14:53:00 | Penelope Crocker |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 17:28:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 14/09/17 09:54:00 | Brian Davis |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 14/09/17 11:38:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 14/09/17 14:49:00 | Penelope Crocker |
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| Re:Ever closer union? | 18/09/17 09:28:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 18/09/17 09:50:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 18/09/17 10:10:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 18/09/17 11:08:00 | Tricia Arbuthnot |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 18/09/17 13:09:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 18/09/17 13:58:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 18/09/17 16:07:00 | Paul Corcoran |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 19/09/17 08:38:00 | Andy Jones |
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| Re:The debate in four views | 20/09/17 10:02:00 | Lee Page |
| Re:Re:The debate in four views | 20/09/17 15:51:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 20/09/17 16:27:00 | Vlod Barchuk |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 20/09/17 16:48:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 21/09/17 10:21:00 | Andy Jones |
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| Re:Projections for 'No Deal' | 15/10/17 22:42:00 | Philippa Bond |
| Re:Re:Projections for 'No Deal' | 16/10/17 07:17:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Projections for 'No Deal' | 16/10/17 09:27:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Projections for 'No Deal' | 16/10/17 17:39:00 | Philippa Bond |
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| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 20/10/17 20:25:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 21/10/17 09:48:00 | Helena Cavanagh |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 02/11/17 08:50:00 | Tricia Arbuthnot |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 02/11/17 09:46:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 02/11/17 15:44:00 | Graham Weeks |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 03/11/17 11:00:00 | Helena Cavanagh |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 03/11/17 12:25:00 | Penelope Crocker |
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| Re:Re:Re:Brexit at the golf club | 17/11/17 08:10:00 | Keith Iddon |
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| Re:Re:Brexit at the golf club | 17/11/17 16:48:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit at the golf club | 20/11/17 09:41:00 | Tricia Arbuthnot |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit at the golf club | 20/11/17 09:56:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit at the golf club | 20/11/17 17:37:00 | Andy Jones |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 09/12/17 05:05:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 10/12/17 04:25:00 | Graham Weeks |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 12/12/17 05:22:00 | Graham Weeks |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brexit | 29/12/17 15:23:00 | Penelope Crocker |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brexit | 12/01/18 13:18:00 | Penelope Crocker |
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