| Topic: | Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | |
| Posted by: | Andy Jones | |
| Date/Time: | 14/09/17 11:38:00 |
| It is amazing how powerful the idea of the European superstate remains even when informed eurosceptics have long since accepted that it isn't a reality. There probably where a small number of people in Europe who sincerely believed that the abolition of the nation state was a good thing and that the EU was a vehicle to achieve this aim. To think this would ever happen you would need to believe that the other members of the EU hold their sovereignty more cheaply than we do. They most certainly don't so the superstate was never going to happen. Any residual hope that it would died when the EU opted for a policy of expansion rather than consolidation. To wipe out national difference was a big challenge with a relatively small number of members but became an impossibility once the organisation moved into Eastern Europe. Now the decision making process is so diluted with so many countries having a veto that it only really works when it comes to agreeing on products and standards because it is in everybody's interest to harmonise. That is why the single market has become such a success and even countries outside the EU are adopting its rules. These days 'an ever closer union' really is just about standards and nobody even talks about the political aspect of this anymore - the EU is more of a trading group than it has ever been. On the point made by Graham earlier about the CAP and it being an enemy of free trade, while he is obviously correct that this policy provides a protectionist umbrella he ignores the obvious fact that every economy in the world protects domestic agriculture. When we leave CAP there will not be immediate free access to UK markets for third world farmers because that would destroy our agricultural base and depopulate the countryside. A system of farm subsidies will be put in place which is likely to be more expensive than the current system given that we may need to compensate farmers more if they are excluded from European markets by tariff barriers. It is perfectly legitimate for people on secure incomes like pensioners to vote in what they perceive to be their own self-interest when it comes to Brexit. They will be immune from the economic impacts particularly if their pensions are index linked. However, if those views are based on out of date perceptions of the EU as an institution or misunderstanding of how things like the CAP work perhaps you should pause to reflect on the harm your decision will do to younger generations. |
| Topic | Date Posted | Posted By |
| Brexit | 28/08/17 16:16:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Brexit | 28/08/17 17:13:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 02:27:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 10:21:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 10:52:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 15:11:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 15:35:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 15:43:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 29/08/17 18:55:00 | Helena Cavanagh |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 05/09/17 08:23:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 05/09/17 09:40:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 19:06:00 | Libby Kemp |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 22:44:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 10:55:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 12:20:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 12:37:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 15:58:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Brexit | 30/08/17 22:30:00 | Peter Yale |
| Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 10:49:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 14:17:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 14:37:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 15:06:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 20:01:00 | Vlod Barchuk |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 01/09/17 09:44:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 01/09/17 11:11:00 | Vlod Barchuk |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 01/09/17 14:40:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 01/09/17 16:30:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 05/09/17 20:54:00 | Vlod Barchuk |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 14:28:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 31/08/17 16:00:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 01/09/17 09:57:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 03/09/17 09:09:00 | Tricia Arbuthnot |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 04/09/17 06:16:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 09/09/17 17:34:00 | Peter Yale |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 04/09/17 07:35:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 04/09/17 08:33:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 04/09/17 14:33:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 05/09/17 06:17:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 06/09/17 05:30:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 06/09/17 12:36:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 07/09/17 10:43:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 07/09/17 11:12:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Brexit | 01/09/17 09:58:00 | Tony Wood |
| Re:Brexit | 05/09/17 08:25:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Brexit | 07/09/17 15:05:00 | Brian Conneller |
| Re:Re:Brexit | 07/09/17 16:04:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 08/09/17 16:02:00 | Brian Conneller |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 08/09/17 18:13:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 11/09/17 08:18:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 11/09/17 10:03:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 12/09/17 08:36:00 | Helena Cavanagh |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 08:10:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 09:30:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 10:54:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 11:28:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 13:33:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 13:56:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 14:29:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 14:53:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 15:02:00 | Bob Little |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 15:05:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/09/17 17:28:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 14/09/17 09:54:00 | Brian Davis |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 14/09/17 11:38:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 14/09/17 14:49:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 15/09/17 18:26:00 | Vlod Barchuk |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 16/09/17 07:38:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 16/09/17 09:34:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 16/09/17 10:46:00 | Martin C. Harris |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 16/09/17 11:07:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 16/09/17 14:29:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 16/09/17 14:29:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 16/09/17 18:06:00 | Vlod Barchuk |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 17/09/17 13:32:00 | Andy Jones |
| Ever closer union? | 17/09/17 15:59:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Ever closer union? | 18/09/17 09:28:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 18/09/17 09:50:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 18/09/17 10:10:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 18/09/17 11:08:00 | Tricia Arbuthnot |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 18/09/17 13:09:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 18/09/17 13:58:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 18/09/17 16:07:00 | Paul Corcoran |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 19/09/17 08:38:00 | Andy Jones |
| The debate in four views | 20/09/17 09:10:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:The debate in four views | 20/09/17 10:02:00 | Lee Page |
| Re:Re:The debate in four views | 20/09/17 15:51:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 20/09/17 16:27:00 | Vlod Barchuk |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 20/09/17 16:48:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Ever closer union? | 21/09/17 10:21:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 04/01/18 11:57:00 | Judith Jaafar |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 04/01/18 12:09:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 04/01/18 12:14:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Projections for 'No Deal' | 15/10/17 17:40:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Projections for 'No Deal' | 15/10/17 22:42:00 | Philippa Bond |
| Re:Re:Projections for 'No Deal' | 16/10/17 07:17:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Projections for 'No Deal' | 16/10/17 09:27:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Projections for 'No Deal' | 16/10/17 17:39:00 | Philippa Bond |
| Re:Brexit | 19/10/17 10:17:00 | Nick Foote |
| Re:Re:Brexit | 19/10/17 21:24:00 | Susan Rowe |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 20/10/17 20:25:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 21/10/17 09:48:00 | Helena Cavanagh |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 02/11/17 08:21:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 02/11/17 08:50:00 | Tricia Arbuthnot |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 02/11/17 09:46:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 02/11/17 15:44:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 02/11/17 12:29:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 02/11/17 15:00:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 02/11/17 16:04:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 03/11/17 11:00:00 | Helena Cavanagh |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 03/11/17 12:25:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 17/11/17 06:08:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 17/11/17 06:10:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Brexit at the golf club | 17/11/17 06:11:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Brexit at the golf club | 17/11/17 07:14:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Brexit at the golf club | 17/11/17 07:47:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit at the golf club | 17/11/17 08:10:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Brexit at the golf club | 17/11/17 16:26:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Brexit at the golf club | 17/11/17 16:25:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Brexit at the golf club | 17/11/17 16:48:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit at the golf club | 20/11/17 09:41:00 | Tricia Arbuthnot |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit at the golf club | 20/11/17 09:56:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit at the golf club | 20/11/17 17:37:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 24/11/17 16:57:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Why is EU Immigration Rising? | 29/11/17 07:53:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 05/12/17 16:49:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 06/12/17 11:25:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 06/12/17 12:52:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 06/12/17 13:42:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 06/12/17 14:58:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 07/12/17 09:21:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 08/12/17 20:56:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 08/12/17 22:08:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 09/12/17 05:05:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 10/12/17 04:25:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 11/12/17 21:18:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 11/12/17 22:28:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 12/12/17 05:22:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 12/12/17 21:14:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 13/12/17 08:26:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re: Brexit | 14/12/17 16:33:00 | Susan Rowe |
| Re:Re: Brexit | 14/12/17 16:47:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re: Brexit | 14/12/17 17:00:00 | Leslie Bailey |
| Re:Re:Re:Re: Brexit | 14/12/17 17:23:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brexit | 14/12/17 18:24:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brexit | 29/12/17 10:48:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brexit | 29/12/17 15:23:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brexit | 12/01/18 12:58:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brexit | 12/01/18 13:06:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brexit | 12/01/18 13:18:00 | Penelope Crocker |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brexit | 12/01/18 14:28:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brexit | 12/01/18 15:05:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re: Brexit | 22/01/18 13:57:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Brexit | 17/03/18 08:14:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Brexit | 17/03/18 19:33:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 18/03/18 12:06:00 | Philippa Bond |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 18/03/18 13:32:00 | Andy Jones |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 19/03/18 08:02:00 | Graham Weeks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Brexit | 19/03/18 17:41:00 | Peter Chadburn |