| Topic: | Reply | |
| Posted by: | Gordon Southwell | |
| Date/Time: | 27/04/21 12:44:00 |
Paul, it might seem like it but I wasn't being obtuse on the issue of self selection, I really didn't understand the point you were making. The way you are trying to define it is not the way it would normally be understood. To be self-selecting the universe of data collection points would have to have an inherent bias for instance if CAMTAG had chosen to poll parking permit holders. As they would be more likely to be car owners you might assume that they would be more likely to be against LTNs. This is not the case for a survey pool of all households. I think it is fair to assume most people who had a strong opinion either way on LTNs and received the leaflet would have completed it. I know some people are very protective of private data and may choose not to give their details to a third party but there is no reason to think how you felt about transport policy has any bearing on this so it is a neutral factor. It would be perverse not to fill in a survey that might have a significant bearing on the outcome of the LTN trial even if you had reservations of its provenance. That you have seen someone on Twitter saying that this is what they did is unlikely to signify this kind of response was widespread. If you believe it was then you would have to allow for the Commonplace survey significantly understating the level of opposition to LTNs because people would have refused to fill it in for similar reasons. On the issue of what you said about Commonplace I have reread it and would still advise caution. It could be deemed that you are implying something that is actionable i.e. that Commonplace is not fit for purpose. It would be sensible to confirm that what you described was not gaming per se but people encouraging those of like mind to respond and it was impossible to game the system in a way that critically undermined the value of the consultation and the confidence we can have in its response. I can accept your point about there being an element of unfairness of only one form being allowed per household but this would have not skewed the result in any particular direction. The limitation makes the results easier to audit and therefore should give you more comfort that they are accurate. You are right that we are not getting the whole picture. The headline results of these surveys and consultations do not allow for nuanced views. For instance someone I know in LTN21 says she really likes it because the traffic has been significantly reduced in her road but she is aware that it has mainly moved to a neighbouring street and therefore felt guilty about completing the survey so didn't do so. However, while we may not have full focus, we do have a pretty well defined outline which shows as it stands there is overwhelming opposition to the scheme. As I've said before the cause of sustainable transport would be better served by you accepting this as a fact but looking at the detail of the results to see where support does exist for measures. If you don't do that, the likely outcome is that the LTNs will be scrapped in their entirety as has happened in other boroughs. |
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| Re:Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 19:31:00 | Paul James |
| Reply | 21/04/21 19:31:00 | Gordon Southwell |
| Re:Reply | 21/04/21 19:52:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 20:04:00 | Peter Yale |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 20:17:00 | N V Brooks |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 20:30:00 | N V Brooks |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 20:54:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 20:57:00 | Simon Hayes |
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| Re:Reply | 21/04/21 22:15:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Reply | 21/04/21 23:15:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 21/04/21 23:28:00 | Colin Goodman |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 07:16:00 | Mark Evans |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 09:03:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 09:31:00 | Mark Evans |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 09:45:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 09:48:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 10:15:00 | Keith Iddon |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 10:21:00 | Paul James |
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| Re:Reply | 22/04/21 11:29:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 11:39:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 12:00:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 14:56:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 11:46:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 12:06:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 12:14:00 | Paul James |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 12:43:00 | Paul James |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 13:38:00 | Paul James |
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| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 26/04/21 13:34:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 26/04/21 14:50:00 | Paul James |
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| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 26/04/21 15:36:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 26/04/21 16:49:00 | Rosco White |
| Reply | 26/04/21 15:51:00 | Gordon Southwell |
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| Re:Reply | 26/04/21 17:15:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Reply | 26/04/21 17:24:00 | Paul James |
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| Re:Reply | 27/04/21 09:49:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 10:10:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 10:21:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 10:57:00 | Simon Hayes |
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| Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 22/04/21 12:06:00 | Paul James |
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| Re:Reply | 22/04/21 12:35:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 13:00:00 | Tricia Arbuthnot |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 14:59:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 16:16:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 16:24:00 | Mark Evans |
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