| Topic: | Reply | |
| Posted by: | Gordon Southwell | |
| Date/Time: | 25/04/21 08:46:00 |
Paul, I'm genuinely sorry that you have been subjected to a line of questioning that seems motivated by personal animosity and a desire to make petty points rather than intending to have a rational debate about this important issue. The matter you raised in your original post is the key question here. While I agreed with you the headline of the article was made more appropriate by being qualified to show that 'massive support' was shown by the number of respondents, I never accepted in its original form it was extremely misleading as you claim because it seems to me the survey is an accurate reflection of the views of LTN21 residents. I know I have raised this same point a number of times but you have never addressed it. It is hard for you to totally reject the CAMTAG survey given that its results show exactly the same breakdown of opposition that the council's Commonplace consultation did. As far as I am aware these are the only two comprehensive surveys of what Ealing residents feel about the council's traffic measures. There is also a wide range of anecdotal evidence that suggests a high level of opposition. Whether you believe there were 1,000 or 5,000 at the march yesterday that is a lot of people. Better Ealing Streets refer to other surveys which show support for LTNs in their response to the march. They fail to mention that these are London wide surveys. Of course most people support the concept of LTNs, I certainly do and believe they will become increasingly important but it is preposterous to ignore the much more representative local surveys. In calling the news report 'extremely misleading' you have set a high bar for accuracy but you then need to be consistent and not just hold information you disagree with to impossibly high standards. The facts seem to point very adamantly to there being a high level of opposition to the LTNs in Ealing and it is Better Ealing Streets who are distorting the issue in my view. If you have an explanation as to why the CAMTAG and Commonplace surveys have got it so wrong it would be interesting to hear but a minority view that claims to represent a silent majority is always deluded. As far as I can see any disinterested observer will conclude opposition to LTNs in Ealing is massive. If you and Better Ealing Streets persist in the claim that these schemes are popular with residents you will be doing immense damage to the cause of sustainable travel and safer streets in Ealing. I absolutely believe that strenuous efforts should be made to encourage walking and cycling but I see no strong evidence that unnecessary private car journeys that could easily be switched to walking and cycling make up a very large proportion of vehicle journeys on our roads. Even if we are successful encouraging some modal shift this is going to be outweighed by the significant population growth that the borough is about to experience. It would be a grave error to think that 'car free' developments mean that the residents won't generate extra vehicle movements. If I am correct this actually strengthens the case for LTNs but you need to bear in mind that the current processes which use Experimental Traffic Orders and minimal road modelling will be gone quite shortly. Maybe even in weeks if the Gove coup against Boris Johnson is successful. Although this will mean it will take longer to introduce LTNs, they will be better conceived and much more likely to achieve their aim. The problem will emerge that, because you and Ealing Council have told people that black is white and LTNs are popular, there will be a significant legacy of mistrust about the concept and it will become much harder to implement even the best conceived schemes. You and Better Ealing Streets are damaging your credibility by the quixotic insistence that LTNs are popular in Ealing in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It would be far better if you were to recognise initially that the CAMTAG survey showed that there were parts of the LTN21 scheme that did have a significant amount of resident support and working to ensure these were retained. Your all or nothing approach means that it is more likely that there will be a clean sweep of the measures instituted by the end of the year with nothing kept and a legacy of resident suspicion over any new measures put forward. |
| Topic | Date Posted | Posted By |
| Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 18:53:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 19:28:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 19:31:00 | Paul James |
| Reply | 21/04/21 19:31:00 | Gordon Southwell |
| Re:Reply | 21/04/21 19:52:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 20:04:00 | Peter Yale |
| Re:Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 20:12:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 20:14:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 20:17:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 20:19:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 20:25:00 | Peter Yale |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 20:30:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 20:33:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 20:54:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 21/04/21 20:57:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Reply | 21/04/21 21:43:00 | Gordon Southwell |
| Re:Reply | 21/04/21 22:15:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Reply | 21/04/21 23:15:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 21/04/21 23:28:00 | Colin Goodman |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 07:16:00 | Mark Evans |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 09:03:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 09:31:00 | Mark Evans |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 09:45:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 09:48:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 10:15:00 | Keith Iddon |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 13:07:00 | Kevin Wilson |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 13:11:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 10:21:00 | Paul James |
| Reply | 22/04/21 10:32:00 | Gordon Southwell |
| Re:Reply | 22/04/21 11:29:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 11:39:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 12:00:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 14:56:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 11:46:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 12:06:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 12:14:00 | Paul James |
| Reply | 23/04/21 12:26:00 | Gordon Southwell |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 12:39:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 12:43:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 12:51:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 13:00:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 13:02:00 | N V Brooks |
| Reply | 23/04/21 14:14:00 | Gordon Southwell |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 30/04/21 19:05:00 | Philippa Bond |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 01/05/21 14:50:00 | N V Brooks |
| Reply | 22/04/21 12:02:00 | Gordon Southwell |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 13:22:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 13:38:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 13:47:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 07:34:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 07:53:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 08:20:00 | Mark Evans |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 08:27:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 09:19:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 10:10:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 11:23:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 11:48:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 12:07:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 12:34:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 12:47:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 12:57:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 23/04/21 14:09:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 24/04/21 08:10:00 | Tricia Arbuthnot |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 24/04/21 08:36:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 24/04/21 09:21:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 24/04/21 09:22:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 24/04/21 09:49:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 25/04/21 07:35:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 25/04/21 07:50:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 25/04/21 08:11:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 25/04/21 08:45:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Reply | 25/04/21 08:46:00 | Gordon Southwell |
| Re:Reply | 26/04/21 12:09:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Reply | 26/04/21 12:55:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 26/04/21 13:34:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 26/04/21 14:50:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 26/04/21 15:10:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 26/04/21 15:17:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 26/04/21 15:22:00 | Rosco White |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 26/04/21 15:36:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 26/04/21 16:49:00 | Rosco White |
| Reply | 26/04/21 15:51:00 | Gordon Southwell |
| Re:Reply | 26/04/21 16:07:00 | Tricia Arbuthnot |
| Re:Reply | 26/04/21 17:15:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Reply | 26/04/21 17:24:00 | Paul James |
| Reply | 26/04/21 17:42:00 | Gordon Southwell |
| Re:Reply | 27/04/21 09:49:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 10:10:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 10:21:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 10:57:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Reply | 27/04/21 12:44:00 | Gordon Southwell |
| Re:Reply | 27/04/21 13:41:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Reply | 27/04/21 13:44:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Reply | 27/04/21 13:46:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Reply | 27/04/21 13:56:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Reply | 27/04/21 14:00:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Reply | 27/04/21 14:02:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 16:53:00 | Tricia Arbuthnot |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 17:58:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Reply | 27/04/21 14:04:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 15:07:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 16:11:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 16:12:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 16:54:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 17:05:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 17:18:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 21:33:00 | Rosco White |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 22:37:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 23:16:00 | Rosco White |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 28/04/21 12:11:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 28/04/21 12:17:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 28/04/21 22:44:00 | Rosco White |
| Re:Re:Reply | 26/04/21 17:47:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 27/04/21 10:42:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Reply | 26/04/21 15:38:00 | Paul James |
| Re:Re:Reply | 26/04/21 16:28:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Extremely Misleading News Headline on EalingToday | 22/04/21 12:06:00 | Paul James |
| Reply | 22/04/21 12:19:00 | Gordon Southwell |
| Re:Reply | 22/04/21 12:35:00 | Peter Chadburn |
| Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 13:00:00 | Tricia Arbuthnot |
| Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 14:59:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 16:16:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 16:24:00 | Mark Evans |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 22/04/21 16:41:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Reply | 25/04/21 17:51:00 | Mark Evans |
| Re: Bel and LTNs | 27/04/21 22:32:00 | Leslie Bailey |
| Reply | 28/04/21 15:50:00 | Christine Mulligan |
| Come on Paul James! | 28/04/21 19:08:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Come on Paul James! | 29/04/21 07:55:00 | Tricia Arbuthnot |
| Re:Re:Come on Paul James! | 29/04/21 11:18:00 | N V Brooks |
| Re:Re:Re:Come on Paul James! | 29/04/21 13:47:00 | Rosco White |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on Paul James! | 29/04/21 15:19:00 | Simon Hayes |
| Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on Paul James! | 29/04/21 17:54:00 | Rosco White |
| Re:Come on Paul James! | 30/04/21 14:08:00 | Simon Hayes |