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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:We need the tram
Posted by: Mark Kehoe
Date/Time: 12/10/18 09:35:00

The Tram for the Uxbridge road was deeply flawed, Way too expensive and had less stops than the 607 express bus.  The thing with European trams is they are short trip transport. Lots of stops.. To disperse 76% of traffic into South Ealing alone was absurd. The capacity gain after withdrawal of motor bus services was minimal, the service intervals longer and a bus service would be required to cover the gaps between stops.  No-one considered North-South movements, The loss of 1000 plus mature trees, demolition of buildings and the damage to commercial traffic- which keeps us all in employment one way or another, would be reckless and with zero gain.  It only works where there is a space to do so and there is not.

What was baffling was the complete dismissal by TfL of a trolleybus system.  Far cheaper and far more flexible.

This ought to be looked at more seriously as technology has negated the need for the entire route to have wires.  In effect, instead of a Hybrid bus using a mineral based generator, the charging power supply can come from sections of straight roads and induction devices at stops or slow moving sections.  This allows all electric or accumulator electric operation with minimal infrastructure and maintenance. In effect the Trolleybus can be as versatile as a diesel bus and cope with everyday diversions and obstructions that dog the Croydon tram.

That said it has been found that induction chargers and electric vehicle chargers can seriously affect people with pacemakers and metal implants from up to 50m away and that has yet to be resolved.  Many authorities have not been made aware of the dangers of roadside fast chargers and their emissions. No doubt that will be solved soon.

All-Electric buses that can cover the same sort of loadings and mileage are still way too expensive to operate and maintain and the failure rate way to high per 1000 miles. And one has to consider the environmental hazards of battery composition and energy resources require for their manufacture - which is also a big issue for hydrogen fuel - it uses more fossil fuel to create than would otherwise be used and that pollution has to go somewhere.

But it has to go further, Public transport has to be made more attractive and a more pleasant, comfortable way to travel.  It is heading towards cattle class. Even a builders transit van has more comfortable seating and environment.
The cheapest car has  far more comfortable seats and space for items like bags or shopping.


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LIVEABLE NEIGHBOURHOODS27/09/18 10:44:00 Arthur Breens
   Re:LIVEABLE NEIGHBOURHOODS02/10/18 17:20:00 Mark Walker
      Re:Re:LIVEABLE NEIGHBOURHOODS03/10/18 18:26:00 Arthur Breens
   Re:LIVEABLE NEIGHBOURHOODS11/10/18 09:25:00 Darren Moore
   Re:LIVEABLE NEIGHBOURHOODS11/10/18 11:59:00 Paul James
      Re:Re:LIVEABLE NEIGHBOURHOODS11/10/18 12:30:00 Ben Owen
         Re:Re:Re:LIVEABLE NEIGHBOURHOODS11/10/18 14:23:00 Mark Kehoe
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LIVEABLE NEIGHBOURHOODS11/10/18 14:33:00 Paul James
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LIVEABLE NEIGHBOURHOODS12/10/18 09:24:00 Darren Moore
         Re:Re:Re:LIVEABLE NEIGHBOURHOODS11/10/18 14:23:00 Andy Jones
            Re:Re:Re:Re:LIVEABLE NEIGHBOURHOODS11/10/18 14:29:00 Paul James
               We need the tram11/10/18 16:56:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                  Re:We need the tram11/10/18 20:19:00 Peter Chadburn
                     Re:Re:We need the tram11/10/18 23:05:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                        Re:Re:Re:We need the tram11/10/18 23:10:00 Peter Chadburn
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:We need the tram11/10/18 23:30:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:We need the tram12/10/18 06:54:00 Nicholas Beard
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:We need the tram12/10/18 09:35:00 Mark Kehoe
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:We need the tram12/10/18 19:54:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:We need the tram12/10/18 19:59:00 Peter Chadburn
               Traffic counts12/10/18 10:34:00 Andy Jones
                  Reply13/10/18 08:35:00 Dennis O'Shea
                     Re:Reply13/10/18 20:24:00 Philip Coe
                        Reply14/10/18 10:15:00 Dennis O'Shea
                           Re:Reply16/10/18 09:51:00 Gordon Southwell
                              Reply16/10/18 11:07:00 Dennis O'Shea
                                 Re:Reply17/10/18 10:36:00 Paul James
                                    Re:Re:Reply17/10/18 11:19:00 Arthur Breens
                                       Oil production has methane gas byproduct which is 20 times worse than carbon dioxide as greenhouse gas17/10/18 12:01:00 Mark Julian Raymond
                                          Buses and pollution17/10/18 17:24:00 Andy Jones
                                             Re:Buses and pollution17/10/18 20:59:00 Paul James
                                                Re:Re:Buses and pollution18/10/18 08:20:00 Andy Jones

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