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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing
Posted by: Michael Brandt
Date/Time: 28/04/10 20:26:00

Well anyone can call themselves a 'General Builder" and more worryingly anyone can be a 'Master Builder' and join the federation.

It is an area where the lack of demonstrable recognition and policing has opened the door for cowboys, chancers and anyone looking for work.

Unskilled builders are labourers or Navvies.

But with the sidelining of City and Guilds and the status downgrading of apprenticeships, their is no real benchmark for excellence.

It really is a British failing.

Poland, being one of the better educated and more advanced of the former soviet states followed Russia in making sure that craft skills and qualifications had the same kind of respect and status as that of a nurse , banker or engineer.
So a Polish builder aged 35 plus will almost certainly be highly skilled and qualified.
It was not all that different here 50 years ago

Obviously, qualifications are not essential and there are very many excellent builders who can do a proper job but could not pass an academic exam.
The trouble in the UK is that teaching technical crafts has been 'academicised' (new word!) so it is all done on computer and from books.
These are hand and eye skill jobs and budgets are so small that they cannot be taught properly anymore.
Hammersmith and West London college allowed a materials expenditure of just 35p per day per student to learn to signwrite, wallpaper or plaster.

In the UK they teach the talk but not the walk.


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Poles in Ealing22/04/10 23:19:00 Wiktor Moszczynski
   Re:Poles in Ealing23/04/10 16:50:00 Arthur Breens
      Re:Re:Poles in Ealing24/04/10 00:16:00 Wiktor Moszczynski
         Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing24/04/10 02:40:00 G Lord
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing24/04/10 08:02:00 Wiktor Moszczynski
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing25/04/10 12:48:00 J Smith
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing27/04/10 15:41:00 Michael Brandt
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing29/04/10 18:13:00 Tony Colliver
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing27/04/10 15:46:00 Michael Brandt
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing27/04/10 17:22:00 Michael Brandt
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing27/04/10 18:58:00 Gerald Cabb
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing27/04/10 19:11:00 J Smith
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing27/04/10 19:23:00 Peter Chadburn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing28/04/10 08:02:00 G Lord
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing28/04/10 09:41:00 Diane Gill
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing28/04/10 11:15:00 Alan Brainsby
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing28/04/10 11:56:00 G Lord
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing28/04/10 13:58:00 Alan Brainsby
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing28/04/10 19:23:00 Michael Brandt
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing28/04/10 19:25:00 Michael Brandt
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing28/04/10 19:45:00 Alan Brainsby
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing28/04/10 20:11:00 J Smith
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing28/04/10 20:26:00 Michael Brandt
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing28/04/10 21:58:00 G Lord
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing02/05/10 14:34:00 J Smith
   Re:Poles in Ealing04/05/10 14:34:00 Marie Anne OConnell
      Re:Re:Poles in Ealing04/05/10 16:32:00 G Lord
         Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing04/05/10 16:35:00 J Smith
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing04/05/10 16:39:00 G Lord
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing04/05/10 16:44:00 J Smith
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing04/05/10 16:50:00 G Lord
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing04/05/10 16:58:00 G Lord
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing04/05/10 17:10:00 J Smith
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing04/05/10 17:12:00 J Smith
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing04/05/10 17:24:00 G Lord
                              Re:Poles in Ealing04/05/10 17:26:00 Wiktor Moszczynski
      Re:Re:Poles in Ealing04/05/10 17:19:00 Wiktor Moszczynski
         Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing04/05/10 19:12:00 Alan Brainsby
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing04/05/10 20:09:00 Michael Brandt
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing04/05/10 21:31:00 G Lord
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing05/05/10 13:50:00 J Smith
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing05/05/10 19:55:00 Michael Brandt
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Poles in Ealing05/05/10 21:17:00 Alan Brainsby
   Re:Poles in Ealing27/05/10 13:28:00 Andy Jones
      Having just read this thread...27/05/10 14:31:00 Robin Taylor
         Re:Having just read this thread...28/05/10 10:42:00 Andrew Flinn
         Re:Having just read this thread...30/05/10 00:53:00 Tony Price
      Re:Re:Poles in Ealing30/05/10 01:44:00 Wiktor Moszczynski

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