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Topic: Re:Private companies and the NHS
Posted by: Ed Yelland
Date/Time: 10/06/11 09:45:00

"This week Southern Cross is at risk of going under. They have taken over a state activity. So what happens to the residents to whom some statutory duties of care are owed?
Next we have the private owners of London's Fire Brigade vehicles at risk of going bust. Pudding Lane here we come again.So if the different types of scanners in Ealing hospital become privately owned and the company goes bust then do we just take herbal remedies?"

This misses one rather obvious point - a significant contributor to the position Southern Cross finds itself in is the below cost fees paid by local authorities.

As anyone who has a relative in care will know, private residents effectively subsidise the local authority residents despite receiving the same service - the delta between the fees for the same service can be as much as £200 a week but in the best cases is still north of £100 a week.

To compound this, minimum standards have been raised (which is a good thing) but the result of the additional investment required is that care home operators have found that the working capital requirements are such that it’s not possible to continue in business – many have gone bust over the last 5 years.

So what’s now likely to happen is that capacity in the sector will continue to be reduced forcing local authorities to provide the service themselves (at a substantially higher cost because they are less efficient), or elderly / vulnerable people will simply have nowhere to go.

What’s required is for local authorities to make a fair contribution to the costs that their residents incur, instead of expecting private residents to subsidise it or the hard working people who work in care homes to always have to work for the minimum wage.

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Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service11/04/11 12:16:00 Eric Alan Leach
   Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service13/04/11 08:49:00 Arthur Breens
      Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service16/04/11 23:16:00 Arthur Breens
      Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service16/04/11 23:17:00 Arthur Breens
         Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service19/04/11 11:50:00 Eric Alan Leach
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service20/04/11 10:05:00 Ed Yelland
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service20/04/11 10:31:00 Peter Chadburn
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service20/04/11 10:58:00 Ed Yelland
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service20/04/11 11:13:00 Peter Chadburn
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service20/04/11 11:38:00 Ed Yelland
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service20/04/11 12:00:00 Peter Chadburn
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service20/04/11 12:09:00 Ed Yelland
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service20/04/11 12:08:00 Eric Alan Leach
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service20/04/11 12:23:00 Ed Yelland
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service20/04/11 13:33:00 Peter Chadburn
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service20/04/11 13:59:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service20/04/11 14:14:00 Peter Chadburn
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service21/04/11 09:45:00 Ed Yelland
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service21/04/11 15:00:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service21/04/11 17:27:00 Ed Yelland
                                                Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service21/04/11 17:49:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service23/04/11 21:50:00 Arthur Breens
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service24/04/11 10:15:00 Ed Yelland
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service24/04/11 12:55:00 Peter Chadburn
                                                   Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service24/04/11 10:13:00 Ed Yelland
                                                      Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service24/04/11 20:32:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                                         Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service25/04/11 09:20:00 Ed Yelland
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service25/04/11 09:36:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service25/04/11 10:54:00 Peter Chadburn
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service26/04/11 00:20:00 Arthur Breens
                                                                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service01/05/11 10:00:00 Eric Alan Leach
   Monitor's new year-on-year cuts for Trusts01/05/11 10:44:00 Allison Franklin
      Re:Monitor's new year-on-year cuts for Trusts09/05/11 11:39:00 Eric Alan Leach
         Re:Re:Monitor's new year-on-year cuts for Trusts12/05/11 08:00:00 Arthur Breens
            Re:Re:Re:Monitor's new year-on-year cuts for Trusts12/05/11 23:49:00 Arthur Breens
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Monitor's new year-on-year cuts for Trusts17/05/11 09:45:00 Eric Alan Leach
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Monitor's new year-on-year cuts for Trusts18/05/11 19:34:00 Peter Chadburn
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Monitor's new year-on-year cuts for Trusts19/05/11 23:42:00 Arthur Breens
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Monitor's new year-on-year cuts for Trusts29/05/11 11:54:00 Arthur Breens
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Monitor's new year-on-year cuts for Trusts01/06/11 14:21:00 Eric Alan Leach
                              Monitor's new year-on-year cuts for Trusts01/06/11 16:02:00 George Knox
                                 Private companies and the NHS03/06/11 19:51:00 George Knox
                                    Re:Private companies and the NHS04/06/11 11:01:00 Peter Chadburn
                                       Re:Re:Private companies and the NHS09/06/11 23:48:00 Arthur Breens
                                    Re:Private companies and the NHS10/06/11 09:45:00 Ed Yelland
                                       Re:Re:Private companies and the NHS10/06/11 11:01:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                       Council care homes less efficient -Yelland10/06/11 19:21:00 Allison Franklin
                                          Re:Council care homes less efficient -Yelland10/06/11 21:24:00 Peter Chadburn
   Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing10/06/11 23:53:00 Nigel Brooks
      Re:Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing11/06/11 11:25:00 Peter Chadburn
         Re:Re:Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing13/06/11 09:37:00 Eric Alan Leach
            Re:Re:Re:Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing15/06/11 07:28:00 Eric Alan Leach
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing18/06/11 12:08:00 Eric Alan Leach
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing18/06/11 15:30:00 Arthur Breens
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing09/07/11 15:38:00 Eric Alan Leach
                        Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing18/07/11 19:50:00 Eric Alan Leach
                           Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing22/07/11 08:06:00 Arthur Breens
                              Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing01/08/11 12:30:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing05/08/11 08:35:00 Arthur Breens
                                    Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing26/08/11 23:23:00 Arthur Breens
                                       Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing02/09/11 08:21:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                          Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing02/09/11 08:50:00 Phil Taylor
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing02/09/11 08:58:00 Peter Chadburn
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing02/09/11 09:23:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                             Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Southern Cross and the NHS in Ealing02/09/11 09:59:00 Tony Wood
                                                38degrees is a Social Democratic campaigning organisation 02/09/11 10:17:00 Phil Taylor
                                                   Re:38degrees is a Social Democratic campaigning organisation 02/09/11 10:26:00 Tony Wood
                                                      Re:Re:38degrees is a Social Democratic campaigning organisation 02/09/11 10:52:00 Tony Wood
                                                         Re:Re:Re:38degrees is a Social Democratic campaigning organisation 02/09/11 11:35:00 Phil Taylor
                                                            Re:Re:Re:Re:38degrees is a Social Democratic campaigning organisation 02/09/11 12:08:00 Tony Wood
                                                               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:38degrees is a Social Democratic campaigning organisation 02/09/11 14:27:00 Eric Alan Leach
                                                                  Polly Toynbee article on NHS Bill from Guardian 2.9.1102/09/11 20:02:00 Allison Franklin
                                                                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:38degrees is a Social Democratic campaigning organisation 03/09/11 12:53:00 Tony Wood
   Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service02/09/11 22:12:00 Peter Chadburn
      Re:Re:Stop the Killing of Our Free Public Health Service03/09/11 09:57:00 Arthur Breens
   The Observer, 4.9.11 - Shirley Williams last attempt at getting our attention04/09/11 07:45:00 Allison Franklin
   Shirley Williams article, The Observer, 4.9.1104/09/11 07:59:00 Allison Franklin
      Re:Shirley Williams article, The Observer, 4.9.1106/09/11 22:52:00 Eric Alan Leach
         Re:Re:Shirley Williams article, The Observer, 4.9.1106/09/11 23:03:00 Peter Chadburn
            Re:Re:Re:Shirley Williams article, The Observer, 4.9.1107/09/11 12:16:00 Eric Alan Leach
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Shirley Williams article, The Observer, 4.9.1125/10/11 15:28:00 Eric Alan Leach
                  BMA have opposed every NHS reform25/10/11 19:30:00 Phil Taylor
                     Re:BMA have opposed every NHS reform26/10/11 00:29:00 Arthur Breens
                        Re:Re:BMA have opposed every NHS reform26/10/11 07:20:00 Phil Taylor
                     Re:BMA have opposed every NHS reform26/10/11 00:31:00 Eric Alan Leach
                        Re:Re:BMA have opposed every NHS reform26/10/11 08:00:00 Allison Franklin
                           Re:Re:Re:BMA have opposed every NHS reform26/10/11 08:30:00 Eric Alan Leach
                           Re:Re:Re:BMA have opposed every NHS reform26/10/11 12:47:00 Phil Taylor
   Jenny Tonge ashamed of the Lib Dems26/10/11 19:31:00 Allison Franklin
      Re:Jenny Tonge ashamed of the Lib Dems26/10/11 19:54:00 Eric Alan Leach
         Re:Re:Jenny Tonge ashamed of the Lib Dems27/10/11 08:12:00 Arthur Breens

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