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Topic: Re:Re:Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application
Posted by: Steven Pawlyk
Date/Time: 20/09/21 12:21:00

Anthony, Raymond

I *get* everything you say - both of you - and everyone else on this thread. Of course I do. Absolutely.
People are very despondent. Truth be told - So am I.

But - perhaps because I'm a touch new to all this - let me at least try to take a more positive view.

On a positive note - to implement something like this would mean:

I suspect a system like this would be a UK first - and, IF it all worked properly - a massive feather in the cap of Ealing Council.
"Hey look at us, we're inclusive, we're democratic, we're leading the pack" - plus its a Labour council ie the voice of the people etc. Let them do good!
Why they'd be on the news. Even the Council leaders - the ones who were responsible for SUCCESSFULLY implementing such a scheme - they'd get exposure, they would probably advance in their political careers.
It could be a massive Win-Win - for everybody.
And before you know it - IF it was implemented properly, carefully - that is to say it worked, was fit for purpose easy to run - why before long the whole country would get into it. No Question.
I suspect the Council would need to do a small pilot scheme first - for say 3/6 months, for a small area - iron out any teething problems before going live.
It does need a proper thinking through.

Regarding the availability of email - I suspect even those who don't have broadband - they have mobiles? So this not likely to be a huge number.
Regarding people who really do not have email - then they are registered as such on the Council database - and they get paper.
I believe the reason they scrapped the old letter system a few years back - was to save money? (Incredible as it sounds .. ) Well I doubt that more than 20% of local residents really don't have email access so that would be a large saving to start with.
I believe people would FEEL GOOD to be included in this small way - they would FEEL GOOD about the Council !! Imagine that!

Let the yellow notice scheme continue as a backup - its not much good but its probably very very cheap to run anyways.

Obviously the whole thing needs to be thought through carefully - system analyst gets involved, talks to all the people involved, makes sure all the bases are covered at the design stage.

I worked in IT - this stuff is bread & butter - it ain't rocket science.
Some of my old work colleagues - private sector types - highly competent, hard working, smart sharp motivated people - I reckon they could whip up something like this pretty quick.
Or - as you say:
> Sole traders have better more inclusive sites and they manage those on a shoestring.
That's right - means there is a lot of expertise out there in the market on this kind of thing. Its already there. Just need to find the right outfit to implement it.

Now - on a negative or shall we say "coercive" or "gently or not so gently leading the horse to water" note -

If the Council doesn't improve their system in respect of planning (one specific area) & communicating with their residents - then somebody, somewhere needs to take them to court & force them to do it.
The system is not fit for purpose - the system doesn't work properly - the System is broken.
They're not fixing it - they're not going to fix it - they can't be asked to fix it.

Again - returning to the example of buying a product on the market, even something trivial - well if that product was defective and this defect had consequences, you'd exchange communications with the company on a reasonable level - requesting them to do their duty & fulfil their obligations, you'd act nicely and within reason - most people (though not all) can be reasonable & decent if you give them a chance - but if after a while you saw that the supplier was not going to do anything to fix the problem - that he/she was ignoring your reasonable communications - well you'd threaten them with the solicitors. In my experience that is usually when they sit up & take notice - and get the problem resolved.

My argument in this case would be as before - one's house/flat/property - is usually BY FAR the biggest most significant investment people make in their lives. People spend their whole lives paying off the mortgage.
Unnecessary stress - unnecessarily caused - by unnecessary procedures - and especially when these can be improved or resolved so easily in this day & age - causes real grief to real people. They can get heart attacks from the stress & worry. Sometimes the people affected are already old & frail, or already under huge pressure due to real life situations be it family, work, dealing with illness or whatever.

Given what's out there in terms of technology and given how archaic & ineffective the Council's NON-inclusive UNdemocratic system is currently - well surely there is a case for negligence - or some similar or appropriate legal term or proceeding that fits the scenario.

It won't be me who does something like this - I couldn't manage something like that - I'm one of those stressed-out never-enough-time so-much-to-do people.

But I think somebody could ...

One last thing:

Spare a thought for the Council Planning staff - this discussion is specifically about planning.
At this time with all this pressure from endless new applications - there is literally a "feeding frenzy" going on out there regarding property & property development - the pressure to "create more housing" - to follow all the new legislation that's coming out all the time (NPPF, London Plan, Ealing docuemnts to name but a few) - to keep everyone happy - to handle all the budget cuts as well and the very real implications of those - I bet they are inundated, overworked.
In truth I cannot imagine how difficult it must be to work there - the constant grinding stress, endless - never enough time to focus on one issue - which causes mistakes, then more stress - and the pay is probably not that good either - remember all the government cuts of the last decade as well.
They are probably getting it from all sides.
So spare a thought ....

I think its always better to at least try to get people "on-side" - rather than attack attack criticize slag off => causes resistance.
Wasn't it Churchill who said - Jaw-JAw is always better than War-War.
Yes it was him - I just looked it up - this is 2021 we have the Internet it is AMAZING

So come on Ealing Council !!! COME ON!!! :))

That's my 50 cents for now ... :))


Entire Thread
TopicDate PostedPosted By
Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application14/05/21 21:38:00 Victor Mishiku
   Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application14/05/21 22:43:00 Philippa Bond
      Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application15/05/21 14:14:00 Rosco White
         Re:Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application16/05/21 13:05:00 Philippa Bond
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application16/05/21 14:05:00 Victor Mishiku
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application16/05/21 14:46:00 Simon Hayes
   Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application16/05/21 15:52:00 ANN ALLAN
      Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application17/05/21 00:15:00 Victor Helm
         Re:Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application17/05/21 18:13:00 Anthony Hawran
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application17/05/21 18:50:00 Simon Hayes
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application17/05/21 21:54:00 Rosco White
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application18/05/21 08:29:00 Raymond Havelock
   Pre-Application Advice - Hidden Details or Unchallenged Incomplete Application Forms13/06/21 20:27:00 Victor Mishiku
      Re:Pre-Application Advice - Hidden Details or Unchallenged Incomplete Application Forms13/06/21 21:59:00 Anthony Hawran
         Re:Re:Pre-Application Advice - Hidden Details or Unchallenged Incomplete Application Forms13/06/21 22:12:00 N V Brooks
            Re:Re:Re:Pre-Application Advice - Hidden Details or Unchallenged Incomplete Application Forms14/06/21 00:04:00 Anthony Hawran
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Pre-Application Advice - Hidden Details or Unchallenged Incomplete Application Forms14/06/21 07:02:00 Andy Jones
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pre-Application Advice - Hidden Details or Unchallenged Incomplete Application Forms14/06/21 11:16:00 N V Brooks
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Pre-Application Advice - Hidden Details or Unchallenged Incomplete Application Forms14/06/21 12:22:00 Peter Yale
   Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application13/07/21 13:42:00 Paul Taylor
      Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application19/07/21 21:30:00 Peter Yale
         2 Denbigh Road, Ealing case - Absence of Public Notices19/09/21 13:49:00 Victor Mishiku
            Re:2 Denbigh Road, Ealing case - Absence of Public Notices19/09/21 14:23:00 Rosco White
               Re:Re:2 Denbigh Road, Ealing case - Absence of Public Notices19/09/21 14:27:00 Philippa Bond
                  Re:Re:Re:2 Denbigh Road, Ealing case - Absence of Public Notices19/09/21 16:34:00 Anthony Hawran
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:2 Denbigh Road, Ealing case - Absence of Public Notices19/09/21 16:40:00 Anthony Hawran
                     Re:Re:Re:Re:2 Denbigh Road, Ealing case - Absence of Public Notices19/09/21 16:42:00 Anthony Hawran
   Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application20/09/21 00:05:00 Steven Pawlyk
      Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application20/09/21 02:36:00 Anthony Hawran
         Re:Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application20/09/21 08:40:00 Raymond Havelock
            Re:Re:Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application20/09/21 12:21:00 Steven Pawlyk
               Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application20/09/21 14:56:00 Rosco White
                  Cllr. Peter Mason - asked to kindly look into this.23/09/21 00:30:00 Victor Mishiku
                  Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application23/09/21 19:25:00 Steven Pawlyk
   Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application23/09/21 18:20:00 ANN ALLAN
      Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application23/09/21 20:49:00 Rosco White
         Re:Re:Re:Failure to Display Public Notice on Planning Application23/09/21 21:45:00 Anthony Hawran
            Barrister writes to Ms Alex Jackson, new Chief Planner27/09/21 01:02:00 Victor Mishiku

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